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    Great debates. But if the NBA was really fixed, no way we get big dave, no way in we get timmy, and no way in or in any other dimension we get four ing rings.

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    so part 2 of the videos at the 4:05 mark, there is an undeniably foul by fisher on bibby. then a questionable call on the kings when kobe ran the fast break. even the commentators say bibby was fouled and did not see kobe fouled when he ran the fast break.

    bibby needs get his ass on the spurs next year and get his revenge on the lakers. wallace too.

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    not all aspects are fixed, but some things do certainly seem a little odd sometimes

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    this is so ed
    im watching some on youtube now
    were the refs high?

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    and what about the others 30 calls that the refs invent in favor of the Lakers? and you can see in those videos that they were bull calls in favor of the Lakers.
    Not at all. How do we know they're BS calls? Shaq even today can only be guarded by fouling him. Not to mention how unstoppable he was in his prime. It's not surprising that alot of foul calls are called against ANY team defending Shaq.

    With so many "bad calls" in that game, couldn't they have found some real "bad calls".

    For example, like the Vlade foul that some are saying isn't a foul, just look

    Where rigged happens video

    Vlade's obviously holding Shaq's left arm at the biceps, that's a pretty blatant foul. Where's the phantom call? That's a foul all the way.

    This picture ain't clear but watch that video at 3:13.

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    in the first video bibby contests kobe's shot, nowhere near the arm. kobe doesn't try selling it AT ALL and bibby gets the foul. How is this hard to believe that referees can be ordered to give Big market teams calls? It's a business and Big Market=Big money, ratings everything.

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    I think, they should play the game (and maybe the whole playoffs) again...only question is: is it better using the former rosters or the ones from now?

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    I think, they should play the game (and maybe the whole playoffs) again...only question is: is it better using the former rosters or the ones from now?
    Refs make bad calls in any game really. I don't believe the NBA (overall) is fixed. To be fair, we'd have to call into question all the championships from those 13 years.

    It wouldn't be fair to say only the Lakers "benefited".

    Donaghy was a ref from 1994 to 2007, that's alot of series that would have to be replayed. Heheh, if they do that, they would have to redo the Suns/Spurs series as well according to Suns fans (even the broadcasters):


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    All these allegations seem so ridiculous to me. Donaghy is the source of all of this...not some well respected ref that's out of the game.

    None of this is new, none of this is groundbreaking.

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    I feel bad for the players and fans of that Kings team.

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    Wow, painful to relive if you're a Kings fan.

    Sacramento was the NBA's best team that year, everybody knows that.

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    1. Why would Donaghy, after all the he got himself into, risk even further punishment by lying in court again? I don't see why he'd do that at all, as crooked as he is. This game is so full of blatant bull that even with the missed/bad calls that are part of the game, it's obvious it was fixed.

    2. People are corrupt. Presidents, public officials, CEOs, you name it. I don't think NBA referees and commissioners are immune from turning corrupt for the sake of financial profit (Lakers in the Finals).

    3. Nothing we can do about it now. Whether its the Kings series, the .4, or the non-call vs. the Spurs last year, the commissioner and the league love the Lakers, and they will get away with . Only the Lakers can elbow someone in plain view and not get called, jump on top of someone in plain view and not get called, and catch turn and shoot the ball in less than half a second. If a series is close enough, there will be rigging to where it isn't so noticeable. They couldn't rig the Finals as Boston was the clear favorite and superior team in the series.

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    Anyone who complains about Game 6 needs to watch Game 5 of that same series.

    The refs damn neared fouled Shaq out of that game by halftime.

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    Anyone who complains about Game 6 needs to watch Game 5 of that same series.

    The refs damn neared fouled Shaq out of that game by halftime.
    O'Neal should normally foul out by the end of first quarters.

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    I iknow it makes feel people better, but, nevertheless,
    you gotta be pretty stupid to think that the NBA is the ONLY organization where corruption is inexistent.

    Beyond redemption, I would say.

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    Oh and the Lakers will win, this year.

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    I think I'm going to throw up. How can this happen? And, more than once. It sickens me. The Kings got robbed.

    Those poor guys got robbed. ing sad.

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    Let's not forget about the bermuda triangle 4th quarter disappearence of the 2000 trailblazers.

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    Let's not forget about the bermuda triangle 4th quarter disappearence of the 2000 trailblazers.
    I remember watching that game. In game seven, the Blazers were up by 15 points with half a quarter to go as I remember (correct me if I'm wrong), then somehow the Lakers came back.

    I thought the game was over.

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    I remember watching that game. In game seven, the Blazers were up by 15 points with half a quarter to go as I remember (correct me if I'm wrong), then somehow the Lakers came back.

    I thought the game was over.
    Yeah all the sudden wallace is missing layups. And the best team that season gave it all away. A little fishy.

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    Anyone who complains about Game 6 needs to watch Game 5 of that same series.

    The refs damn neared fouled Shaq out of that game by halftime.
    Yeah I seem to remember that the Kings had a huge FTA advantage in their home games.

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    Let's not forget about the bermuda triangle 4th quarter disappearence of the 2000 trailblazers.
    Please, we don't speak of that

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    Wow

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    Great debates. But if the NBA was really fixed, no way we get big dave, no way in we get timmy, and no way in or in any other dimension we get four ing rings.

    Dead on! The officiating in that series was extremely biased, and some of the calls were so bad that you can't fault people for thinking it was intentional. That doesn't mean that the whole league is fixed.

    But don't kid yourself, the league has gotten involved in officiating at times - to the point of creating biased calls against specific players or teams. For instance, they tell the refs that carrying is a problem, and it needs to be called more. And to illustrate their point, they show 4 video clips that all show Tony Parker rolling his hand under the ball as he dribbles. The "official" instruction is that carrying violations should be called a little tighter. But it's understood that Tony Parker is going to get some calls against him in the next several games.

    I'll say straight out - I think that Stu Jackson has been guilty of influencing officiating in ways that benefitted specific teams. I don't know what his motives were, but I think he did it knowingly and intentionally. And I think David Stern's biggest shortcoming has been his unwillingness to believe it, and kick that bas out.

    The officiating in that Sacramento series was bad enough to either warrant an investigation, or to justify firing a couple of referees for incompetence.

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