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i hate siding with laker fan, but that's just whining. iirc, kings got some benefit of calls in game 5. it can't be perfect or even all the time, but comes round goes round in the end. best team wins 7 game series (except for the bullets in 79 ecf)
I didn't get past the first 5 seconds. Kobe extends his arm and pushes off Christie on the drive to get separation, the play that ends with Horry's three. Clearly a foul on Kobe.Not at all. How do we know they're BS calls? Shaq even today can only be guarded by fouling him. Not to mention how unstoppable he was in his prime. It's not surprising that alot of foul calls are called against ANY team defending Shaq.
With so many "bad calls" in that game, couldn't they have found some real "bad calls".
For example, like the Vlade foul that some are saying isn't a foul, just look
Where rigged happens video
Vlade's obviously holding Shaq's left arm at the biceps, that's a pretty blatant foul. Where's the phantom call? That's a foul all the way.
This picture ain't clear but watch that video at 3:13.
Kobe should have been suspend from game seven for a shot to Bibby's head.
i hate siding with laker fan, but that's just whining. iirc, kings got some benefit of calls in game 5. it can't be perfect or even all the time, but comes round goes round in the end. best team wins 7 game series (except for the bullets in 79 ecf)
Haven't you seen the video of Jordan pushing off Byron Russell? That's considered one of the greatest plays of all time. Was Jordan's second 3-peat rigged by Stern & Donaghy?
Bibby fouled Kobe first. If the refs had called that foul or if Bibby wasn't holding Kobe, there wouldn't have been an elbow.Kobe should have been suspend from game seven for a shot to Bibby's head.
Should Bowen have been suspended for Game 6 in Spurs vs Suns for his knee to Nash's nuts?
I will never forget this game for the rest of my life. It was the most disgusting, blatant show of cheating I've ever seen in the NBA (until the Pau Gasol trade).
Are you are talking about this game?
Laker fans and Spur fans can't complain about fixes/cheating with their 3&4 championships each during Donaghy's reign.
It is much like the Pot calling the Kettle black.
Thanks for the fond memories! I was at that game. Of course the spin of this video is the usual whining. One could put together another video showing the opposite.
The SAC v LAL was much much much worse...
How so?
Which were the bad calls in SAC v LAL? How many bad calls in Suns v Spurs?
Noone outside of your god forsaken state with a fully functional nutsack believes you were NOT given that series. And anyone with a brain capable of counting, knows that rat Fisher did not really get that shot off.
This is not a pot and kettle situation. In this era of the NBA, no team has come close to getting the shady calls yours has. None. It's more like pot and tea cup.
The fact that laker fans actually go at lengths to defend their cheating team (like you are now) points only to an inner feeling of shame.
Give me a break with the cheating talk, folks. After all, it's not like the Lakers have been to the finals half the time or anything.
You can see the crowd going all crazy in that building, must have been loud as .
Agreed. These mixes always try to find the worst case scenario and try to make it a big deal. Truth is, stuff like this goes on every game and you can make an NBA is Rigged video after every game.Of course the spin of this video is the usual whining. One could put together another video showing the opposite.
The Spurs are the saints and never get the benefit of calls. And because it's the Lakers, it's easy to say they didn't deserve their wins/championships/rings.
Of course, the Spurs never get the benefit of the calls. Kobe should have been suspended for elbowing Bibby but Bowen's kick to Nash's nuts was incidental and just an accident.
Spurs were the only pious team to win their 4 championships fair and square. Cheating teams like the Lakers/Celtics/Pistons/Bulls all were given their les by the refs and the evil Stern.
You go on, and on and on, with blatantly child-like logic in your rebuttles, why? Why not exit the thread and leave us stupid spurs fans to jack off to how the NBA gave you that series? You go on because you know its true.
Child-like rebuttals for an idiot. You're the only dumb that thinks the Lakers are the only team in the world to get calls.
Other posters knew well enough to leave the post alone after being reminded of the Suns/Spurs calls.
Pot calling the kettle black, take an exit from your own jackoff brain.
The calls in that Suns/Spurs series were bad on both sides. When a Phoenix Suns fan comes up with the video, of course it's only going to show those that work in their favor. Your whole "League wants Spurs to win" argument is futile. Stern himself admits that the Spurs winning the le does nothing for his bankbook. Small market teams winning hurts him financial-wise. And everyone was calling SA boring at that time, so he wasn't doing it for the fans. Tell me..why would Stern want SA to win? Please, tell me. I'd love to hear it. Now, Phoenix had more flair, is a much larger market, and scored over 100 points a game. Would have gotten more people to watch. So why would Stern want SA to beat them in that series so bad that he would actually convince the officials to swing the calls in SA's favor. Bottom line, the officiating was HORRIBLE in that series...on both sides. Truth is, the Lakers ARE the team that gets the most calls in the league..everyone knows that. Kobe gets more no calls than anyone in league history. I've seen him smack people (ie Mike Bibby) and get away with smacking people enough to where it makes me sick. He travels almost as much as Lebron (with no calls), and the NBA builds him up like a God. I've seen Matt Bonner go down and hit back to back threes while the NBA acts like it's no big deal. Meanwhile, after that, Kobe hit a three and they acted like it was the best thing they've ever seen. Predictable and ridiculous.
This proves my point. There ain't no conspiracy or rigging. The videos look compelling until you realize that's 4-5 plays out of 100 plays.
I DON'T believe the Laker championships were rigged. I DON'T believe the Spurs championships were rigged.
If there was a conspiracy, why would the boring ass Spurs win 4 championships? The NBA had reasons to rig an NBA 2004 Finals...but instead, the boring ass Pistons beat a possible 4-peat Laker game.
Prior to 2007, the Lakers were the laughingstock of the NBA. The Celtics went 22 years of drought. Why didn't the NBA rig some rings for them in those years?
The conspiracy theorists say the Kings were screwed in Game 6. But of course they don't mention all the favorable calls the Kings got in Game 5. They shot a ton more FTs than the Lakers in Game 5 without even having a dominant Center. What's even funnier is in that King's Game 5 video, you clearly see CWebb pushing Fisher on Bibby's game-winning shot. Kings wouldn't have won that game if the foul was called.
Players play Kobe tight and try to body him up. That leads to getting smacked. Bibby/Raja Bell were notorious for bodying up on Kobe, they got smacked quite often.Truth is, the Lakers ARE the team that gets the most calls in the league..everyone knows that. Kobe gets more no calls than anyone in league history. I've seen him smack people (ie Mike Bibby) and get away with smacking people enough to where it makes me sick.
Vujacic gets hit in the face ALL the time, I don't complain about the hits, it's the way that he plays that gets him hit.
Kobe travelling is a perception, not a reality. Even LeBron, who is a well known taveller doesn't really travel that often. The guys who travel the most in the NBA are the Centers/Power Forwards...pretty much everytime they initiate their dribble in the post.He travels almost as much as Lebron (with no calls), and the NBA builds him up like a God. I've seen Matt Bonner go down and hit back to back threes while the NBA acts like it's no big deal. Meanwhile, after that, Kobe hit a three and they acted like it was the best thing they've ever seen. Predictable and ridiculous.
Kobe is good because he can hit shots when they really matter. Guys like Bonner can shoot when the game isn't on the line. I can't remember the last time Bonner completed a game-winning shot. This is why a guy like Mason is so much more of an assassin than a guy like Bonner.
"boring ass spurs"
a bit off topic but doesnt ass mean a donkey in the dictionary?
umm kobe travels, its not a perception, lebron travels a load too. all superstars do it way to much, is it that hard to not travel, I see Year 9 students at my school go through games with hardly any travels, these are supposed to be pro's
Just a figure of speech, similar to "boring as "...how the do we know is boring?
The travel rules have changed. The ambiguous "bunny hop" rule allows for calling a travel in the old sense but not in the current NBA.umm kobe travels, its not a perception, lebron travels a load too. all superstars do it way to much, is it that hard to not travel, I see Year 9 students at my school go through games with hardly any travels, these are supposed to be pro's
This was why there was such an uproar in the Olympics because the NBA players can be called for a travel on EVERY play according to international/old school travelling rules. This extends beyond just Kobe/LeBron/Wade...it happens with almost every guard/athletic player that uses the bunny hop liberally.
Your own Manu Ginobili has adapted well to the NBA and uses bunny hops and 2-steps very liberally.
so i'm right, its not a perception as you say.
It depends. If you're going to apply that same travel rule on Kobe as every other guard in the NBA, then it is perception.
IF you're gonna say Kobe travels alot, that would also mean that most of the NBA guards travel. And if most of the NBA guards are travelling, then Kobe doesn't really stick out as travelling alot.
If you want to blame it on something, blame it on the rules.
Look at this video...is this travelling?
Last edited by Allanon; 03-18-2009 at 02:07 AM.
I dont think you know the definition of perception
bad luck today vs PHI
People perceive that Kobe travels because they do not understand the travelling rules.
Is this a travel?
That wasn't bad luck, the Lakers sucked, plain and simple.
how so?
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