Somewhere Avery Johnson is sitting back laughing his ugly ass off.
Wow...talk about knee jerk.
There is a reason that Carlisle won't play him and why the Rockets waived him and signed wafer and white to contracts and not green, even when Green a houstonian was ecstatic about playing for the rockets.
He sucks.
The guy's stats are misleading, he is more of a garbage time kind of guy that has no clue on how the offense is wrong and will miss his defensive rotation every time.
Sorry, i didn't realize you were more knowledgeable than carlisle
Yea tell green to bring Pot to the locker room like he did here in Houston. Major major at ude problems with this guy. Rick Adelman is probably the most laid back coach in the NBA after Don Nelson, so if he wanted him gone, trust me Carlisle isn't the problem
Mike D'antoni is way more laid back than either one.
Are you really this bitter about a few Mav fans calling your gay crush Scola an ugly ?Wow...talk about knee jerk.
There is a reason that Carlisle won't play him and why the Rockets waived him and signed wafer and white to contracts and not green, even when Green a houstonian was ecstatic about playing for the rockets.
He sucks.
The guy's stats are misleading, he is more of a garbage time kind of guy that has no clue on how the offense is wrong and will miss his defensive rotation every time.
Sorry, i didn't realize you were more knowledgeable than carlisle
lol..that whole thing was a joke but do you really think Gerald Green is a good player? I admit i was pretty excited when he first came to houston too but the guy is worthless. Who knows what a year or 2 of college could have done for him, i think the best option would be to assign him to a D league team
We can criticize Carlisle for some things, but Gerald Greens minutes shouldn't be one of those things. At the end of the day it's really not gonna make a difference who you give the 2/3 minutes to out of Wright, George, Barea, Green, Carroll, they're all below average players. Wright is less talented than Green but less of a black hole and unquestionably a better defender. Anywho, all these guys suck so the minutes are irrelevant.
Yeah.... he's shown some flashes here and there in the limited action he's had, but the bottom line is the guys a ing scrub. That's why he's been on 4 teams in the past 3 years, that's why we were able to get him for less than $1 million dollars. Cause he sucks.
There's no correlation between Green playing and the Mavs winning anyway. 5-7 in his starts, and it just so happens some of the periods where he's received extended action have been bad stretches for the Mavs.
Not saying it's his fault, but he's not a difference maker at the end of the day. A black hole on offense with little basketball IQ who can't get to the FT line and who is wild and looks confused at times out there.
This is similar to Mono's infatuation with Shawne Williams... despite his illustrious 29% shooting from the field and 6% shooting from behind the arc AND his baggage
Ghazi, we have had some disagreements, but i think you are spot on on this post. Excellent points, and yea its not that hard to figure out. And tbh...i would rather have carlisle than adelmanWe can criticize Carlisle for some things, but Gerald Greens minutes shouldn't be one of those things. At the end of the day it's really not gonna make a difference who you give the 2/3 minutes to out of Wright, George, Barea, Green, Carroll, they're all below average players. Wright is less talented than Green but less of a black hole and unquestionably a better defender. Anywho, all these guys suck so the minutes are irrelevant.
Yeah.... he's shown some flashes here and there in the limited action he's had, but the bottom line is the guys a ing scrub. That's why he's been on 4 teams in the past 3 years, that's why we were able to get him for less than $1 million dollars. Cause he sucks.
There's no correlation between Green playing and the Mavs winning anyway. 5-7 in his starts, and it just so happens some of the periods where he's received extended action have been bad stretches for the Mavs.
Not saying it's his fault, but he's not a difference maker at the end of the day. A black hole on offense with little basketball IQ who can't get to the FT line and who is wild and looks confused at times out there.
This is similar to Mono's infatuation with Shawne Williams... despite his illustrious 29% shooting from the field and 6% shooting from behind the arc AND his baggage
I don't really have a problem with Carlisle. His rotations are perplexing at times but you need lemons to make lemonade.
The fact that we have to resort to gimmicky lineups such as Barea as the starting 2 and Bass getting minutes at the 5 is because the roster simply sucks.
It's not as if the guys in blue are woefully underachieving this year. I'd say they're right where they belong, 41-27 on pace for probably 49-51 wins.
Doc Rivers wasn't lauded as a great coach and then won a championship with the Celtics. It's a player's league at the end of the day and our guys in blue just don't have the pieces. That's the FO's fault and just the natural cycle of a team declining because it's been good for so long. This may be the 9th straight 50 win season for the Mavs so of course we're declining. Notice that the rise of the Cavs is due to being ty the year Lebron came out, the rise of the Magic is due to being ty when Dwight came out, the Celtics rose because they acquired assets to form the Big 3 because of a slew of ty years, the Lakers kinda got lucky with Gasol but acquiring Bynum required them to have a 34-48 season.
Conclusion: It's very likely that for the beloved guys in blue to be really good again, we're gonna have to hit rock bottom. We're not there yet.
In all honesty, its very arguable that they are overachieving, considering all the injuries they have had, yet still could very possibly get 50 wins.
I keep forgetting how re ed you are, but you keep reminding me.We can criticize Carlisle for some things, but Gerald Greens minutes shouldn't be one of those things. At the end of the day it's really not gonna make a difference who you give the 2/3 minutes to out of Wright, George, Barea, Green, Carroll, they're all below average players. Wright is less talented than Green but less of a black hole and unquestionably a better defender. Anywho, all these guys suck so the minutes are irrelevant.
Yeah.... he's shown some flashes here and there in the limited action he's had, but the bottom line is the guys a ing scrub. That's why he's been on 4 teams in the past 3 years, that's why we were able to get him for less than $1 million dollars. Cause he sucks.
There's no correlation between Green playing and the Mavs winning anyway. 5-7 in his starts, and it just so happens some of the periods where he's received extended action have been bad stretches for the Mavs.
Not saying it's his fault, but he's not a difference maker at the end of the day. A black hole on offense with little basketball IQ who can't get to the FT line and who is wild and looks confused at times out there.
This is similar to Mono's infatuation with Shawne Williams... despite his illustrious 29% shooting from the field and 6% shooting from behind the arc AND his baggage
The Mavs aren't a great team, you yourself said that, the Mavs aren't winning a championship anytime soon, you yourself admit that, and the Mavs AREN'T GOING TO ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING BY CONSTANTLY PLAYING THEIR OLD GUYS.
If Carlisle had any insight on the team he'd know that the only way to know if Gerald Green can help you is to give him playing time. And to give him a fair shot, not playing him in situations where he has no chance to succeed and then judge him based on that.
This is an old, slow, unathletic team that will only get worse. Green and Williams are the two most athletic guys on the roster. Williams has had personal issues, which probably affected his shooting, but even so he showed that his defense & rebounding alone were good enough to merit playing time that he didn't receive. If this team wants any chance at all in the future, THEY HAVE TO DEVELOP THEIR YOUNG ATHLETES.
IF THE MAVS AREN'T WINNING A LE, THEN WHAT THE ARE THEY DOING? Because they sure as have shown they aren't interested in looking at the future.
But I'm sure you love cheering on our pathetic old ass roster, because Green getting a fair shot might mean that your beloved J-Ho or George or Barea or whoever the else might not get the playing time he deserves
haha owned.But I'm sure you love cheering on our pathetic old ass roster, because Green getting a fair shot might mean that your beloved J-Ho or George or Barea or whoever the else might not get the playing time he deserves
I could easily see Gerald Green playing an Ariza-type role on the Mavericks. But Carlisle is so damn stupid he'll never let it happen. I guarantee you Trevor Ariza, despite being a huge asset for the Lakers, couldn't log regular minutes on the Carlisle Mavericks. He's not old enough, slow enough, or "veteran savvy" enough. Ghazi and every other Mavs homer would talk about his lack of BBall IQ being a huge problem.
I think what green needs is a decent B-ball IQ, he has all the tools but he plays like a mini stromile swift.
If he had a role & iden y on the team maybe that would happen.
The BB-IQ of Gerald Green grows less and less as the sits on the bench.
Shawne mutha in Williams!I keep forgetting how re ed you are, but you keep reminding me.
The Mavs aren't a great team, you yourself said that, the Mavs aren't winning a championship anytime soon, you yourself admit that, and the Mavs AREN'T GOING TO ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING BY CONSTANTLY PLAYING THEIR OLD GUYS.
If Carlisle had any insight on the team he'd know that the only way to know if Gerald Green can help you is to give him playing time. And to give him a fair shot, not playing him in situations where he has no chance to succeed and then judge him based on that.
This is an old, slow, unathletic team that will only get worse. Green and Williams are the two most athletic guys on the roster. Williams has had personal issues, which probably affected his shooting, but even so he showed that his defense & rebounding alone were good enough to merit playing time that he didn't receive. If this team wants any chance at all in the future, THEY HAVE TO DEVELOP THEIR YOUNG ATHLETES.
IF THE MAVS AREN'T WINNING A LE, THEN WHAT THE ARE THEY DOING? Because they sure as have shown they aren't interested in looking at the future.
But I'm sure you love cheering on our pathetic old ass roster, because Green getting a fair shot might mean that your beloved J-Ho or George or Barea or whoever the else might not get the playing time he deserves
1. You're actually exaggerating how old the Mavs are. The core of Kidd/Dirk/Terry is all on the wrong side of 30 but what are we gonna do, NOT play them?
The guys eating up potential minutes for Green such as Barea/Wright/Singleton are in their mid 20's themselves. Yeah yeah Devean George, but he's out for the year now so that's moot. As for when Howard comes back, I'll take J-Blunt as a black hole over GG as a black hole.
Guys like Malik Allen Juwan Howard Eddie Jones Lue and Stackhouse actually got replaced by much younger guys such as Barea/WRight/Singleton/Bass/Hollins. Yeahhh these guys aren't gonna scare the NBA anytime soon but same goes for Green.
2. We don't "have" to develop Gerald Green. he's on a 1 year contract and probably doesn't have a future with the Mavs, maybe not even a future in the NBA. No core with Gerald mutha in Green is going to scare anyone anyway.
3. Ariza is light years ahead of Green and it'll probably always be that way
4. I suppose you're implying the Mavs should've blown it up and started a youth movement. I dunno about you, but I'd rather watch a hopeless 50-55 win team than a hopeless 20-30 win team. I say hopeless because the next 6-7 years belong to: Lebron and gang, the Lakers, Blazers, Durant/Westbrook/Green, maybe the Cheat will build a good team or two around D-Whistle the primadonna wheelchair .
Yeah... even though blowing it up is gonna have to happen eventually, I doubt you'd LOVE watching a bunch of young ty 20-30 win teams MAYBE mature into a 50-55 win team in 5-6 years only to lose in the 2nd round to the Thunder, Jazz, or Blazers.
This is all implying that a franchise player would actually fall into our lap.
With Stackhouse/Howard/Damp having skyrocketing contractual value this summer, I think our guys in blue may be capable of improving. Maybe not entering the class of elites, but such is life.
Conclusions: Mavs are doomed for the next decade regardless of FO competency or whether or not they blow it up. Just accept the mediocrity for now, look back on our 2006 championship and 9 50 win seasons and be proud of the guys in blue, and hope that one day in the near future we luck our way into the next D-Whistle, Kobe, Lebron, etc.
owned ...Besides, who says you have to suffer through years of mediocrity just to build a decent team anyways? Make the right trades and this core will be fine. Those teams that ARE building through their youth HAVE NO CHOICE! They dont have a franchise player to build around, nor do they have enough talent / payroll / intangibles to bring in said players. Big markets bring big talent. Small markets have to develop their stars. And unfortunately, those STARS go onto better markets once they know better.
Whats stupid is that people, tend to want to trade Dirk, just to bring in another player that only hopes one day that he will be as good as dirk when dirk is clearly still in the prime of his career. So many things can happen from year to year that you dont ever want to doom yourself back to the stoneage unless there is a dam good reason.
Second, Green just isn't a very good professional basketball player. He may look good to you, but not good enough to the people that see him practice on a daily basis. As a fan, we can be frustrated, but its safe to assume that due to our lack of knowledge, that we know very little about whats actually going on.
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Don't worry Ghazi, you'll get your wish. You can watch your beloved Barea/Howard/George play like beloved ass on the court as the beloved Mavs get their ass blown out of the 1st round for a couple more years before Dirk gets fed up and leaves. You'll really love the beloved Mavs then, right?
OR you can work on building an athletic core around Dirk, guys that can match the athleticism of the othe elite teams. Those guys WON'T BE GOOD UNLESS THEY GET THE CHANCE TO PLAY THROUGH THEIR MISTAKES. Green & Williams were both highly touted prospects, and both have 20ppg potential according to alot of experts. We don't need them to be that, but if they GET A CHANCE they can learn to be quality role players.
Anthony Randolph looked like complete as the season's gone on, but Nellie had the intelligence to start playing him when the season was hopeless. Now Randolph is giving the Warriors quality minutes and in his spare time curbstomps the Mavericks. You can talk about the difference in GS's record against Dallas' record, but they both have one thing in common - they aren't winning a ing le anytime soon. That said, Golden State's future looks a of a lot brighter than the Mav's future, and that's because THEY'RE DEVELOPING THEIR YOUNG TALENT.
We act like it's incredibly difficult to do it in the NBA, but it happens for EVERYBODY BUT THE MAVS. The Lakers developed Ariza, The Rockets developed Von Wafer, the Spurs developed Bonner, the Jazz developed CJ Miles, Boston developed Rondo, Orlando developed Nelson, Denver developed JR Smith. Some of these players were multiple-team castoffs, just like Green. Some were trade after the team that drafted them gave up, just like Williams.
The bottom line is that all those teams know how to develop their young players, and the Mavericks don't. And what good is a coach if he can't ing coach?
Yeah... we'd probably look a lot younger with our 2004, 2006, and 2008 draft picks but those were all given up for Kidd. Our FO wanted to win now and it hasn't worked out, and this is the price we pay (lacking young talent). After all, Devin Harris is a young talent. Maurice Ager... meh. Pavel sucks though.
2010 draft pick going to the Nets too
2007 draft pick was given up for Dampier.
You can't have it both ways. Our guys made the Kidd trade to win now and it didn't work out, but you can't fault the INTENT of the front office. The price is lacking young talent.
Anywho, I guess we can say we're "developing" Antoine "garbage" Wright.
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