Rare Footage of Game Six Discovered

[DPG21920]

I am not fully buying into the rigging thing, but Allanon aren't you ingnoring something very obvious. What good does it do the league to cheat for the Spurs? The incentive to cheat for the Lakers is clearly much more evident, no?

[Allanon]

obviously not EVERYTHING is fixed. they arent controlling everything all the time. BUT...
every so often the league does deem it necessary to give a certain side 'a little help'. this i think is undisputable. for example they do not 'fix' an entire game of us vs. lakers, but certain pressure makes them a bit inclined to swallow the whistle in key situations in order to give the lakers a little nudge. after the '05 finals they did NOT want a rematch between the two teams again (and they were favorites once again) it was clear they gave Dallas a little help in getting rid of the spurs, just as they helped Miami off detroit, then helped DWhistle off Dallas.

Of course again, all of the Spurs championships were honest but everybody else was fixed.

also explain how LA and Boston both became powerhouses from one year to the next and both make the Finals without 'a little help' (Gasol give away).

Marc Gasol is almost as talented as Pau. The Grizz are rebuilding, in 3 years, Marc Gasol will be a better player than Pau Gasol. Grizz had no reason to pay Star money during their rebuilding.

the only whole game/series i know of that was entirely fixed was the '02 LA-SAC series (which they admitted to) and the '06 SA-Dallas series.

Proof?

[024]

Not as bad as Lakers-Kings even by a long shot? What kind of homerism is this?

Which fouls in the Laker video are so bad? Tell me the time they occur and I'll review them and post screenshots.

first video, 1:36, bibby's "foul" on bryant. the problem with nba officiating is that calls can usually go both way. it's just questionable that all the calls went the lakers' way. obviously if the refs wanted to fix the game, they wouldn't call blatant ones. looks like they slipped up on this one, there was no contact at all by bibby.

and marc gasol is not as good as pau gasol. pau gasol is a proven all star, grizzlies will be lucky if marc ever makes an all star team. marc has been playing pro basketball for years and yet he's not even the best bigman rookie. even the nets were smart enough to ask for bynum when shopping kidd, who sucks even more than pau.

[024]

so part 2 of the videos at the 4:05 mark, there is an undeniably foul by fisher on bibby. then a questionable call on the kings when kobe ran the fast break. even the commentators say bibby was fouled and did not see kobe fouled when he ran the fast break.

bibby needs get his ass on the spurs next year and get his revenge on the lakers. wallace too.

also this one too allanon.

[Allanon]

I am not fully buying into the rigging thing, but Allanon aren't you ingnoring something very obvious. What good does it do the league to cheat for the Spurs? The incentive to cheat for the Lakers is clearly much more evident, no?

I think that is the quandry in itself. If the league is going to cheat for the Lakers and not the Spurs, why not cheat for the Celtics & Knicks. The Knicks and Celtics are larger markets than the Lakers. Yet, the Celtics were in for 22 years. The Knicks have been in since the 90s. The Lakers were irrelevant for years after Shaq.

If you're going to cheat, why stop at the Lakers? And if you're gonna cheat, why even allow small market teams like the Spurs to win multiple championships while large market teams are hurting.

If you're gonna say the Lakers were rigged, we can't leave out the other winners in the same timespan. That's too one-sided.

My point is there is no rigging/cheating going on. Bad calls are a result of human error. Not only in the NBA but the NFL, the MLB, etc. There is no grand conspiracy going on. I mean seriously, this is a muli-billion dollar industry, the owners aren't going to sit still and let the NBA rig the games in favor of 1 team.

Even ty team owners like the Clippers have invested hundreds of millions in their team. They ain't going to let Stern cheat them so blatantly. Seriously, if you were a team owner losing millions with your crappy team, would you sit idly by while the refs "give" games to the Lakers?

Team owners, players, gms, whatever, all know that calls go both ways. Only fans think there's some grand conspiracy to keep only the Lakers at the top.

[Allanon]

also this one too allanon.

Let's say those are 3 blatant bad calls/mis-calls in the game. In the Suns/Spurs video, there are at least 4 blatantly bad calls/mis-calls and all went in favor of the Spurs. If Kobe should have been suspended for elbowing Kobe, then Bowen should have been suspended for kneeing Nash in the Nuts.

And in both games you can hear the announcers wondering about the call, not just the Laker/Kings game.

Let's look at it objectively and not just say the Lakers are the only ones getting calls in their favor.

I'm not saying the games were rigged, I'm denying the people who say the calls were worse in either of the two games.

[xtremesteven33]

Let's say those are 3 blatant bad calls/mis-calls in the game. In the Suns/Spurs video, there are at least 4 blatantly bad calls/mis-calls and all went in favor of the Spurs. If Kobe should have been suspended for elbowing Kobe, then Bowen should have been suspended for kneeing Nash in the Nuts.

And in both games you can hear the announcers wondering about the call, not just the Laker/Kings game.

Let's look at it objectively and not just say the Lakers are the only ones getting calls in their favor.

I'm not saying the games were rigged, I'm denying the people who say the calls were worse in either of the two games.

Spurs/Suns was a Donaghy agenda
Lakers/Kings was a NBA agenda

[barbacoataco]

The Lakers shot 20+ FT's in the 4th quarter which is ridiculous. But Shaq was impossible to guard without fouling. Part of the issue is whether you see Shaq's moves as an offensive foul, or a blocking foul. If you're a Lakers fan, its a blocking foul. If you're not a Lakers fan, he's pushing off with his shoulder and its an offensive foul. What's funny is that later in his career they started calling that move as an offensive foul more.

[lefty]

Just, rewatched it. Yes it's a travel, he changed his pivot foot.

Kobe's had by far worse travels...just like any NBA player. Heck, I still remember Manu picking up the ball from the 3point line for a dunk on the Sixers. He covered 20 feet with just one dribble. Manu not only got the points but made the highlight reel.

He is Manu Ginobili

[Hooks]

Allanon do you remember the illegal screens the Celtics were allowed to get away with in the NBA finals? Still think the NBA isn't fixed?

These are RIGHT in front of the refs as well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbB731KpKuw


The NBA is fixed, and it's so damn obvious. Oh and I found it funny that you tried to defend Lebron on traveling. He is the worst traveler in the NBA, he does it all of the time I've seen tons of videos on youtube about it, but since his name is Lebron they're not going to call it. , I've even seen in a COMMERCIAL, not a game but a Nike commercial where he travels LMAO (It is somewhere on youtube)! He gets away with so many travels it's not even funny.


Dwayne Wade and the heat were getting a lot of bs calls as well when they were playing the Mavs in the finals, Wade had 24 FT attempts in that controversial game 5. You telling me those are all legit?

The only time I have seen the Spurs benefit from any calls in the playoffs was against the Suns, and that is it. We've been screwed over so many times, the Derek Fisher shot which almost everybody knows is practically impossible, The play where Fisher jumped in to Barry in which the Spurs' nemesis (Crawford) was reffing and saw the play right in front of his eyes yet didn't make a call, the year where they made Dirk Nowitzki impossible to guard (The year the mavs went to the finals) ETC.

Are you telling me all of these bull calls are just honest mistakes? Even when people have admitted to fixing games?

Maybe the nba should get new refs, no? Man, they should hire ME! I could make those calls and I've only been watching basketball for 9 years, these guys have been refs for years and years and years!!! People say, "Well the refs are human so they do make mistakes." Fair, but these aren't mistakes. These are professionals who are experts on what is and isn't a foul and the rules of the game and they're making these simple "mistakes"?

[manufor3]

the nba is not enitrely fixed. every sport is going to be fixed oneway or another. its harder to tell in baseball because there are no penalties.

[Gervin44Silas13]

Those Laker Championships are fixed just like the Bulls les were!

[ambchang]

Let's say those are 3 blatant bad calls/mis-calls in the game. In the Suns/Spurs video, there are at least 4 blatantly bad calls/mis-calls and all went in favor of the Spurs. If Kobe should have been suspended for elbowing Kobe, then Bowen should have been suspended for kneeing Nash in the Nuts.

I think you meant Kobe elbowing Bibby.
The funny thing is, Bowen was called for a foul by kneeing Nash in the nuts. Bibby was called for the foul for being elbowed in the face.

The elbow probably wasn't a suspendable offense, but I remember watching that game and couldn't believe a foul was being called on Bibby.

[Morg1411]

I think you meant Kobe elbowing Bibby.
The funny thing is, Bowen was called for a foul by kneeing Nash in the nuts. Bibby was called for the foul for being elbowed in the face.

The elbow probably wasn't a suspendable offense, but I remember watching that game and couldn't believe a foul was being called on Bibby.

Poor Bibby and his face. First Kobe, and just two nights ago Bonner was pounding on him.

[manufor3]

good video:

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

good video:

talk about losing perspective

that video is so well made, it makes you want to have David Stern hanged for war crimes....

and to add insult to injury 7 years later, Lakers are back fully loaded , young and healthy positioned to go to the finals all thanks to Stern.