Tony Parker for Rajon Rondo: Would you do it?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Both the Ray Allen and Garnett trades were held up because those teams wanted Rondo and Ainge refused to give him up even if it meant sinking the deals.


Parker vs. Rondo this year:

All stats are Per 36 minutes:

Points: Parker 22.7, Rondo 12.7
FT% Parker .802, Rondo .643

FG% Rondo .506, Parker .491
eFG% Rondo .517, Parker .499
3pt% Rondo .325, Parker .315 (neither shoot many)
Rebs Rondo 5.7, Parker 3.1
Asts Rondo 9.1, Parker 7.2
Steals Rondo 2.0, Parker 0.9
Defensive rating (points allowed per 100 possessions) Rondo 101, Parker 107

Summary: Parker scores a lot more because he shoots a lot more. Rondo shoots a higher percentage and is a much better defender, rebounder and passer.

Age: Parker almost 27, Rondo just turned 23.

I'd love to see who would shoot a higher percentage if Rondo was the 2nd option on his team. I'd also love to see what Parker's % would be if he played with Pierce and Allen and got to run the pick and roll with Perkins and KG setting illegal screens.

[Gant]

I'd love to see who would shoot a higher percentage if Rondo was the 2nd option on his team. I'd also love to see what Parker's % would be if he played with Pierce and Allen and got to run the pick and roll with Perkins and KG setting illegal screens.

When the Celtics other stars go out with injury, Rondo shoots more but his percentage stays the same.

Rondo is a vastly superior defender. He's the best defending point in basketball.

You can make believe Parker is way better, but Rondo is actually superior in many critical phases of the game. They are similar players. Parker shoots more. Rondo does nearly everything else better.

Rondo is schemed for every single game. The notion that he is not defended is absurd. Teams change their entire defense to scheme Rondo.

There's not a lot of separation between these two point guards. They're both very good.

[xtremesteven33]

How did this get to 4 pages???

[Brazil]

As overrated as I think Parker is.....THIS THREAD SUCKS!!!

Parker overrated ??

[sonic21]

As overrated as I think Parker is.....THIS THREAD SUCKS!!!

overrated? by who? the medias never speak about him, and casual fans don't think he's an elite PG.
he's underrated for sure.

[mathbzh]

When Rondo is the second option he does what he did last night. He can score in a very similar fashion to Parker- slash and burn.

You can't penalize a guy for deciding it's a good idea to pass to Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett.

Rondo just had two very good games (he played eavy minutes though).
But what did he do the 3 games before?

In march, TP average 25 pts / 7 ast with 52.8 FG% in just 34 minutes.
His worst shooting % during that stretch is 43% à Portland.

Rondo has a bright future, but right now there is no way he can score like Parker.

[Gant]

Rondo just had two very good games (he played eavy minutes though).
But what did he do the 3 games before?

Played on a sprained ankle.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

overrated? by who? the medias never speak about him, and casual fans don't think he's an elite PG.
he's underrated for sure.

Yes, I think a lot of Spurs fans on this board overrate him. Not saying ESPN does or anything, I'm saying every team has a player the fan base overrates massively, and that player for the Spurs is Parker.

I didn't want to start a Parker overrated argument, I was saying that even though I think parker is overrated, the notion it would be smart to trade him for Rondo is absurd.

[ForeignFan]

Sometimes these kind of comparaisons are lame.
Regarding the scoring, Rondo has no responsability for the scoring it's easier when you have the luxury of selecting your shoots and not having the scoring responsability on your back (I'm sure KT has a better FG% than TP and Rondo, so KT>TP and Rondo??). I would like to see what would be the FG% of Rondo if he should take 20 shoot per game and lead the box score for his team.

Much better defender ??? maybe a slightly better defender during RS surely not when it counts in PO.

Rebounder. ok

Passer. Well in this case for SA it's quite complicated to have good apg stat : you don't assist Tim, Tim creates his own shoot. Pierce is more a catch and shoot player. Besides as Rondo has no scoring responsability his focus is passing the ball not feeding the box score.

Globally TP is a YOUNG all star, MVP finals, 3 rings and has also demonstrated that he can win games without Manu and even without Tim, Rondo is far far far away of TP level. No doubt that Rondo has a bright future but now it's really premature to compare.

+1
And (once again) the Spurs offense does not only go through TP - you would have to factor in the total team assists number (though I don't kow how). And the stats in crunch time, etc, etc.

[Gant]

I love Parker's game and don't want anyone to think I'm criticizing here. I think he's a great point guard. I just also believe Rondo is his equal.

[Gant]

Man you watch too much ESPN and listen to the commentators...Rondo is worthless and is only decent b/c of the talent he has around him....put him on the Bobcats or Kings and no one will know who he is. If Parker was on one of those teams we'd know how he is. OVERRATED ESPN B.S.! King Crab and Rondo---most overrated players in the NBA.

This is based on nothing. Rondo is a terrific point guard. He plays equally well with or without the other stars.

Parker also had the same criticisms levelled at him when he broke in playing with Duncan. It made no sense with Parker and it makes no sense with Rondo.

[sonic21]

Yes, I think a lot of Spurs fans on this board overrate him. Not saying ESPN does or anything, I'm saying every team has a player the fan base overrates massively, and that player for the Spurs is Parker.

I didn't want to start a Parker overrated argument, I was saying that even though I think parker is overrated, the notion it would be smart to trade him for Rondo is absurd.

well i guess i know what you mean, it's like suns fans with amare.
but i don't think he's overrated here, there's more tony haters than other players haters

The way Spurs fans disrespect Tony is such an injustice, especially with the way he's carried this team through all its nasty injuries this season. I cannot ever remember another Spurs player being so disgustingly underrated and under-appreciated by people who are supposed to be his fans. Tony Parker is an elite point guard in his prime who keeps adding new things to his game. Deal with it everyone.

[ducks]

Yes, I think a lot of Spurs fans on this board overrate him. Not saying ESPN does or anything, I'm saying every team has a player the fan base overrates massively, and that player for the Spurs is Parker.

I didn't want to start a Parker overrated argument, I was saying that even though I think parker is overrated, the notion it would be smart to trade him for Rondo is absurd.

yeah those allstar selection by nba coaches and finals mvp are a fluke

[sonic21]

I love Parker's game and don't want anyone to think I'm criticizing here. I think he's a great point guard. I just also believe Rondo is his equal.

yeah but you can't compare an allstar who's the 1st or 2nd option on offense whose part of a big 3 with a good role player ( maybe allstar, we'll see) whose playing with a big 3.

[it's me]

Rondo PG >Tony PG
Rondo SG <Tony SG

Tony wouldn’t be very good playing on the Celtics’s system. (defining “good” per espn and ty modern media “good=inflated stats”)

Rondo wouldn’t be very good playing on the Spurs’s system. (defining “good” as a player that makes his teammates better and increases the chances of winning a le.)

[manufor3]

rondo isnt close to parker. come back in 3-5 years and we'll talk.

[mathbzh]

Yes, I think a lot of Spurs fans on this board overrate him. Not saying ESPN does or anything, I'm saying every team has a player the fan base overrates massively, and that player for the Spurs is Parker.

I see what you mean but I don't think Parker is overrated.
He is the best (or very close to) scorer among PG. He has improved his court vision and his passing. He is now a leader. He is at least decent on the defensive end (good when he is focused). Right now, Parker has no major weakness in his game (as he used to). He is a legitimate all-star and without discussion an elite PG.

Of course, here and there, after a great game some of us will say he is better than Paul. But I think most of us consider him as a top 3 to top 6 PG... and this is where he belongs.

Sometime we say Gino>Kobe, Hill>Payton, Mahinmi>Olajuwon... but this is just how fans are. In case you didn't notice, after a poor game you will also see a lot of "trade Parker", "Hill>>>>Parker"...

[Go For Tree]

how in the did this thread get to 5 pages?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

you think Parker is overrated? How so?

When I say he's overrated, it's just as much a compliment to Pop and Duncan as it is an insult to Parker.

The reason I say he's overrated is because his game is relatively one dimensional, however it's gotten a lot better this year and after that stretch where he carried the team w/o Duncan and Manu my opinion of him became a lot better, but it seems like most of his plays are pick and rolls. His defense IMO is very inconsistent, his passing/court vision is not very good when compared to other top tier PG's, and as much as his jumper has improved, it should be better given he has normal sized hands. Rondo's jumper will never be consistent because of how big his hands are, which is another reason why that trade would suck.

And I know someone is gonna say to me well all Nash does is pick and rolls, is he overrated? And my answer is yes, he is overrated.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

well i guess i know what you mean, it's like suns fans with amare.

No, the "I didn't watch basketball before 2004" Suns fans take overrating to a whole new level. The Suns fan base overrated Amare A LOT more than the fans on this board overrate Parker, can't even compare the two.

There are a few fan bases that overrated basically every player on the team, mainly the Lakers, Cavs, and Suns.

[DPG21920]

Lets put it this way. Boston would jump on this trade.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Nash is overrated now...not a few years ago. I can see what you are saying, but I know you are going to hate this, but he has a Finals MVP and a 3 time allstar. I don't think Rondo could ever do that on his best day. But yeah they do have their flaws. I would never trade Tony and I don't think they ever will. Parker will win games for us too, Rondo doesn't do that.

I'm not going to hate that, the argument is about Parker so bringing up the fact he's won a finals MVP makes perfect sense.

And yeah, a lot of the time a player is overrated because he plays in a system that let him play to his strengths and covered up a lot of his weaknesses. This is the case with Nash and D'antoni, and none of us know if it's the case with Pop and Parker, it's just a guess of mine.

And if Parker keeps carrying them like he is, I'll probably stop calling him overrated.

[Red Hawk #21]

Even in 5 years Rondo will not be as good as TP. TP>>>>>Rajon "I can't hit a jumper " Rondo

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I'd say the Lakers and Cavs for sure.

Cavs are actually the worst, I'll bet most of them would say Mo Williams is better than both Rondo and Parker. This one annoying I know who's a Cavs fan says Mo Williams is a better shooter than Ray Allen.

[Bukefal]

overrated? by who? the medias never speak about him, and casual fans don't think he's an elite PG.
he's underrated for sure.

He is very very underrated, he does not deserve that, since TP is really the Spurs best player.