Which statement about gay rights do you agree with more.

[JoeChalupa]

Then the question is, is there any other reason to oppose gay marriage outside of phobia?

I cant think of one. People will come up with some weirdo analogies that are anything but true (priests being obligated to marry gay people, etc), but it really boils down to, IMO, is "I dont like gay people, I dont agree with their lifestyle and I wont recognize them as equal citizens en led to the same rights and protections I enjoy based on my bias."

I concur.

[DarkReign]

Civil Unions?

No, you took me seriously. You were boo-hooing the "secret" portion of this poll. By and large, it should be private.

But I used your complaint to segue into another topic hit upon in the PF Forum (secret ballots in unionization).

Now that I have explained the (admittedly bad) joke, it is no longer funny.

[JoeChalupa]

No, you took me seriously. You were boo-hooing the "secret" portion of this poll. By and large, it should be private.

But I used your complaint to segue into another topic hit upon in the PF Forum (secret ballots in unionization).

Now that I have explained the (admittedly bad) joke, it is no longer funny.

No, I got it.

My attempt with the failed. Hiding your true feeling behind a secret vote. Another stupid attempt.

[I Love Me Some Me]

Then the question is, is there any other reason to oppose gay marriage outside of phobia?

I cant think of one. People will come up with some weirdo analogies that are anything but true (priests being obligated to marry gay people, etc), but it really boils down to, IMO, is "I dont like gay people, I dont agree with their lifestyle and I wont recognize them as equal citizens en led to the same rights and protections I enjoy based on my bias."

That's not accurate, and pretty close-minded. What if I were to say that I am morally oppossed to sexuality, and I oppose same-sex marriage based on my own moral convictions? That doesnt't mean I don't like gay people, nor does it mean that I don't recognize them as equal.

It's important to differentiate what people think about sexuality from how they feel about sexuals.

[peewee's lovechild]

That's not accurate, and pretty close-minded. What if I were to say that I am morally oppossed to sexuality, and I oppose same-sex marriage based on my own moral convictions? That doesnt't mean I don't like gay people, nor does it mean that I don't recognize them as equal.

It's important to differentiate what people think about sexuality from how they feel about sexuals.

This is code for "hate the sin, not the sinner."

[I Love Me Some Me]

This is code for "hate the sin, not the sinner."

[I Love Me Some Me]

This is code for "hate the sin, not the sinner."

Just because the words are bigger than you're comfortable with, doesn't make it "code."

[Dark Gable]

That's not accurate, and pretty close-minded. What if I were to say that I am morally oppossed to sexuality, and I oppose same-sex marriage based on my own moral convictions? That doesnt't mean I don't like gay people, nor does it mean that I don't recognize them as equal.

It's important to differentiate what people think about sexuality from how they feel about sexuals.

That is BS. That is like someone saying "I'm against equal rights but I don't hate blacks. I'll never vote for a black person but I don't hate them."

[Sec24Row7]

#2 is technically correct.

They already can marry a person of the opposite sex like a heterosexual.

It is an Extra right to be able to marry someone of the same sex.

[I Love Me Some Me]

That is BS. That is like someone saying "I'm against equal rights but I don't hate blacks. I'll never vote for a black person but I don't hate them."

Can we quit playing the race card in these conversations? Being black and being gay have NOTHING to do with each other, and NOTHING in common.

If you support gay marriage, make your own argument...don't borrow the black guy's.

Saying you are morally oppossed to sexuality should have no bearing on how you treat an individual who so happens to be gay. If you, as an individual, are defined by your sexual orientation so much that you think my opinions about how you have sex equate to me hating you, then perhaps you need to take an introspective look at what defines you as a person.

[peewee's lovechild]

That's not accurate, and pretty close-minded. What if I were to say that I am morally oppossed to sexuality, and I oppose same-sex marriage based on my own moral convictions? That doesnt't mean I don't like gay people, nor does it mean that I don't recognize them as equal.

It's important to differentiate what people think about sexuality from how they feel about sexuals.

This is code for "hate the sin, not the sinner."

Just because the words are bigger than you're comfortable with, doesn't make it "code."

That is BS. That is like someone saying "I'm against equal rights but I don't hate blacks. I'll never vote for a black person but I don't hate them."

Any questions?

[Dark Gable]

Can we quit playing the race card in these conversations? Being black and being gay have NOTHING to do with each other, and NOTHING in common.

If you support gay marriage, make your own argument...don't borrow the black guy's.

Saying you are morally oppossed to sexuality should have no bearing on how you treat an individual who so happens to be gay. If you, as an individual, are defined by your sexual orientation so much that you think my opinions about how you have sex equate to me hating you, then perhaps you need to take an introspective look at what defines you as a person.

You are just in denial.

[I Love Me Some Me]

You are just in denial.

About what?

[Spurminator]

This country has so many bigger problems than gay marriage. Who gives a really.

Gay people give a , I'm pretty sure. If it's no big deal then I'm sure you won't make the effort to oppose it.

[baseline bum]

Can we quit playing the race card in these conversations? Being black and being gay have NOTHING to do with each other, and NOTHING in common.

Yeah they do; both groups are/were discriminated against because of something they were born into.

[JoeChalupa]

Yeah they do; both groups are/were discriminated against because of something they were born into.

I concur.

[J.T.]

Gays can marry whoever the they want as long as we give them separate bathrooms. My eyes don't want to be an unwilling third party to their quest for equality.

I think we should legalize gay marriage the same way we legalized weed, by making them purchase a permit for it, only the government never sells any permits. I would laugh.

[JoeChalupa]

Gays can marry whoever the they want as long as we give them separate bathrooms. My eyes don't want to be an unwilling third party to their quest for equality.

Just don't tap your foot when you are unloading and you should be okay.

[I Love Me Some Me]

Yeah they do; both groups are/were discriminated against because of something they were born into.

Has science concluded that sexual orientation is something one is born into?

[BacktoBasics]

Has science concluded that sexual orientation is something one is born into?

Does it matter?

[baseline bum]

Has science concluded that sexual orientation is something one is born into?

I base that on what every gay person I have ever known has told me. I base it on liking s from a young age, and trying to get girls to show me things and do things since I was in kindergarten. I base it on the fact that no one could ever convince me some guy's hairy ass is hot.

[Smart Ass]

I base that on what every gay person I have ever known has told me. I base it on liking s from a young age, and trying to get girls to show me things and do things since I was in kindergarten. I base it on the fact that no one could ever convince me some guy's hairy ass is hot.

You haven't had a look at mine.

[Blake]

Does it matter?

are you kidding or are you honestly this ignorant?

[I Love Me Some Me]

I base that on what every gay person I have ever known has told me. I base it on liking s from a young age, and trying to get girls to show me things and do things since I was in kindergarten. I base it on the fact that no one could ever convince me some guy's hairy ass is hot.

Well...I'm convinced now.

[Blake]

I base that on what every gay person I have ever known has told me. I base it on liking s from a young age, and trying to get girls to show me things and do things since I was in kindergarten. I base it on the fact that no one could ever convince me some guy's hairy ass is hot.

scientific method in action