Romo for Cutler?? Thoughts?

[Spursfan092120]

I would rather have that loose cannon of a QB. I really wish the Cowboy's had someone with some swagger like Cutler or Phillip Rivers that isn't afraid to get in the face of a big LB or DT/DE.

We need somone like that on the Cowboys to lead. I wish we would have gotten Ray Lewis too for the D side for the same reason.

You mean like the kind of guy who'll tell his coach.."No..we aren't going to punt on 4th and an inch...we can GET THIS!!" And then they go out and get it, and end up scoring? Yeah...that's Romo.

[jack sommerset]

No..his team didn't throw him under the bus. This is a business. It's part of the business. If he can't handle that, he shouldn't be a professional football player. He's making millions...if he can't handle being on the trading block, he needs to go bag groceries or something. You don't get where I say he can't handle stress? Not showing up for the first team meeting when you're the team leader is a start. It's not about his coach not wanting him...it's the owner...the GM. Now I wasn't saying you were the one making fun of Romo..I was just saying some people did. I was a QB myself, and when I first heard the possibility of Romo vs. Cutler, I thought it might be interesting, till I heard he was acting like a little kid, and didn't show up at the first team meeting. That's just wrong. Yes..I agree if a team trades a QB, especially one with the talent level of Cutler, you should shove it down their throats. But if they don't, you realize it's a business, pick your head up, put on your helmet, stop your damn whining, and get your ass in their with the rest of your teammates who look to you when they need a leader. Otherwise, you'll lose all respect from your teammates, and not only will that affect you if you don't get traded, it will affect your future options on other teams.

Give us a break with the Godfather reference. "Its a business" Guess what. The guy can make the same money at another "business". I have nothing esle to say. I would just repeat myself. Peace.

[Spursfan092120]

Give us a break with the Godfather reference. "Its a business" Guess what. The guy can make the same money at another "business". I have nothing esle to say. I would just repeat myself. Peace.

But you know what..he signed a contract. When you sign a contract, you live by it. Unless you're not a man. It's not up to Cutler where he plays right now..it's up to Denver. Until he's a free agent, Denver decides where he plays...that's why you sign a contract..that's why you make millions...don't be a baby.

[jack sommerset]

But you know what..he signed a contract. When you sign a contract, you live by it. Unless you're not a man. It's not up to Cutler where he plays right now..it's up to Denver. Until he's a free agent, Denver decides where he plays...that's why you sign a contract..that's why you make millions...don't be a baby.

Seriously dude, are you ing kidding? I swear to God I am not being a to you but I have to know what the are you talking about?

NFL owners cut players all the ing time. T.O had a contract. Does that mean Jerry Jones is not a man for cutting him. Roy Williams had a contract. LT had to take a pay cut this season even though he had a contract. Jason Taylor had a contract. I can go on and on and on with players who had contracts and the owner cut there ass without pay.

Contracts mean in the NFL so I don't want to hear anyone hold any players accountable because they signed the contract when the owner of ALL teams will cut there ass in a heart beat.

[Spursfan092120]

Seriously dude, are you ing kidding? I swear to God I am not being a to you but I have to know what the are you talking about?

NFL owners cut players all the ing time. T.O had a contract. Does that mean Jerry Jones is not a man for cutting him. Roy Williams had a contract. LT had to take a pay cut this season even though he had a contract. Jason Taylor had a contract. I can go on and on and on with players who had contracts and the owner cut there ass without pay.

Contracts mean in the NFL so I don't want to hear anyone hold any players accountable because they signed the contract when the owner of ALL teams will cut there ass in a heart beat.

You want to know what I'm talking about? The guy is signed to a contract. That should be all that matters. You put your signature on that contract and you should stand by it. It's called being a man. You don't become a little baby because a team tries to trade you. It's part of the NFL. People get traded. And sometimes they don't. Apparently the Cutler deal didn't go through...he can't be a little whiner and say..."wah..you tried to trade me..wah..I don't feel loved...wah..trade me.." I guess I'm a 28 year old dude who remembers the old school, where the owners were in charge, and the inmates didn't run the asylum.

[jack sommerset]

You want to know what I'm talking about? The guy is signed to a contract. That should be all that matters. You put your signature on that contract and you should stand by it. It's called being a man. You don't become a little baby because a team tries to trade you. It's part of the NFL. People get traded. And sometimes they don't. Apparently the Cutler deal didn't go through...he can't be a little whiner and say..."wah..you tried to trade me..wah..I don't feel loved...wah..trade me.." I guess I'm a 28 year old dude who remembers the old school, where the owners were in charge, and the inmates didn't run the asylum.

Its safe to say we disagree. I'm curious how you feel about a owner who signs a contract with a player only to cut him and not pay him? Shouldn't the team/owner be held to the same standards as the players you describe?

[Obstructed_View]

Its safe to say we disagree. I'm curious how you feel about a owner who signs a contract with a player only to cut him and not pay him? Shouldn't the team/owner be held to the same standards as the players you describe?

Don't act like signing bonuses aren't part of the equation. The players union agreed to this system, and a player is bound to honor a contract until the team cuts him. If you aren't going to be honest about the way it works, then stay the out of the argument.

[jack sommerset]

Don't act like signing bonuses aren't part of the equation. The players union agreed to this system, and a player is bound to honor a contract until the team cuts him. If you aren't going to be honest about the way it works, then stay the out of the argument.

I know how it works alright. Its bull is what I am saying. The agents are working around the fact these owners do not have anyone holding them accountable for the contracts so they get as much in a signing bonus as they can which is still a small part of the actual contract.

Again it does amaze me how some of you want to hold the players accountable but not the owner when it comes to the contract. How hard is it to grasp that two partys sign a contract and both should honor it. For better or worse.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

You put your signature on that contract and you should stand by it. It's called being a man.

Did I miss something or is the player's signature the only one on the contract?

And when the team asks a player to renegotiate, should the player tell the owner to stop whining, stand by the contract and be a man?

[Spursfan092120]

Its safe to say we disagree. I'm curious how you feel about a owner who signs a contract with a player only to cut him and not pay him? Shouldn't the team/owner be held to the same standards as the players you describe?

I would say yes...the team/owner should be held to the same standards. But the player isn't paying the team millions...the team is paying the player millions.

[Spursfan092120]

Did I miss something or is the player's signature the only one on the contract?

And when the team asks a player to renegotiate, should the player tell the owner to stop whining, stand by the contract and be a man?

No..the player's signature is not the only one on the contract. But tell me what the contract is for? It's to play for the team. Not to whine when you feel someone isn't giving you your love. It's BS. The guy is a pansy who is crying because someone thought about trading him, when that's part of the business. Don't stand up for the guy just because you want him on your team. Truth is, he's a punk who doesn't mind making the money involved in the business, but doesn't want to believe that it IS a business.

[Obstructed_View]

I know how it works alright. Its bull is what I am saying. The agents are working around the fact these owners do not have anyone holding them accountable for the contracts so they get as much in a signing bonus as they can which is still a small part of the actual contract.

Again it does amaze me how some of you want to hold the players accountable but not the owner when it comes to the contract. How hard is it to grasp that two partys sign a contract and both should honor it. For better or worse.

Take it up with the players' union, because they agreed to this system so they could get signing bonuses in lieu of security, and the teams agreed to it so they can rid themselves of a roster spot without having to buy out a worthless player. Give the populist a ing rest. The way the system is set up, the onus is on the players to honor what they signed, and since Cutler is NOT in a position to be released outright, he needs to show up and play for the ing team, particulary since he and his agent didn't insist on a provision in his contract saying that he couldn't be shopped or that the coaching staff had to stay in place.

[Vinnie_Johnson]

Didn't Romo make a pro bowl before Owens was a Cowboy?

Romo never started a game before TO.

[slayermin]

Jay Cutler is like the NFL version of Nuke LaLoosh from Bull Durham.



NUKE
How come you don't like me?

CRASH
'Cause you don't respect yourself, which is your problem, but you don't respect the game--and that's my problem.
(beat)
You got a gift.

NUKE
What do I got?

CRASH
A gift. When you were a baby the gods reached down and turned your left arm into a thunderbolt.

Nuke looks at his left arm rubs his shoulder curiously.

CRASH
You got a Hall of Fame arm but you're pissing it away.

NUKE
I ain't pissing nothing away--I got a Porsche already. A 944 with A.C. and a quadraphonic Blaupunkt.

CRASH
You don't need a quadraphonic Blaupunkt--you need a curve ball.
(beat)
In the Show, everybody can hit the fastball.

NUKE
You been in the Majors?

CRASH
Yep.

Tony and Deke overhear this and turn around. And Crash gets
wistful, lyrical, and even slightly hopeful.

CRASH
I was in the Show for 21 days, once.
(beat)
It was the greatest 21 days of my life. You never touch your luggage in the show--somebody else handles your bags. It's great.
(beat)
The ballparks are like cathedrals, the hotels all have room service, the women have long legs and brains-- it's a smorgasbord.

DEKE
The women are hot, eh?

CRASH
Yeah--and so are the pitchers. They throw ungodly breaking stuff
in the Show--exploding sliders.

Nuke, Tony, and Deke murmur in awe at Crash's pronouncement.

CRASH
You could be one of those guys-- but you don't give a , Meat.

NUKE
God damn it I'm sick of you calling me "Meat"! You wanta step outside!

CRASH HOPS TO HIS FEET as the bus barrels along, grabbing Nuke by the collar.

CRASH
Yeah, let's go.

Nuke quickly has second thoughts--Crash can be terrifying.

NUKE
No. Wait a minute. Calm down, Crash...

Nuke sits back down. Calms. Reaches for a baseball sitting nearby. He hands the ball to Crash.

NUKE
Teach me how to throw a breaking ball.

Crash takes the ball gently and speaks softly:

CRASH
As I was saying ya hold it like an egg.

[jack sommerset]

Romo never started a game before TO.

He is just arguing for the sake of it

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

No..the player's signature is not the only one on the contract. But tell me what the contract is for? It's to play for the team. Not to whine when you feel someone isn't giving you your love. It's BS. The guy is a pansy who is crying because someone thought about trading him, when that's part of the business. Don't stand up for the guy just because you want him on your team. Truth is, he's a punk who doesn't mind making the money involved in the business, but doesn't want to believe that it IS a business.

From reading about the whole situation, everyone involved completely screwed the pooch on this one, including Cutler. It gets worse by the day and the recent quotes from McDaniels and Bowlen are odd at best.

Fans will go after Cutler because it's what they do because of the money involved, but what part did Bowlen play in this? Did he tell Cutler that some of the offensive assistants would be retained regardless of who the new coach was or did he magically forget the conversation because he's "getting up there in years"?

Why did McDaniels insist that weren't trying to trade Cutler after the initial story broke but then only a few days ago say that one of the reasons why he wasn't traded was because they "were late to the dance"?

Why did the Broncos cease communications with Cutler and Cook once the trade news broke?

You keep toting the business angle...well, what has Cutler done exactly that violates his contract? And wouldn't going to a better environment with an extension on his existing contract be a smart business decision for Cutler? Or does the business side of things end with the team?

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

The strangest aspect to me in this whole soap opera is Bowlen. He went through a similar situation with Elway and Reeves and yet is acting like this is something he's never seen before.

Maybe he is senile.

[johnsmith]

The strangest aspect to me in this whole soap opera is Bowlen. He went through a similar situation with Elway and Reeves and yet is acting like this is something he's never seen before.

Maybe he is senile.

Bowlen isn't senile, in fact he's far from it. Bowlen's issue is that he's arrogant as and he knows that if he throws a few soundbytes here and there, Denver media will give him a pass on the deal.

Bowlen is the exact same kind of person as Jerry Jones, just in a smaller market. If he was in Dallas, he would be no different than Jerry.

I've met the guy, he ing screams " y".

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

What's your take on the situation, js? I in ially thought Cutler was driving the situation but it seems like it's getting stranger by the day. Honestly, now it looks like Cutler may be the only one telling the truth or at least a semblance of the truth.

Just an odd way for things to have unfolded and an odd series of half-truths explaining the situation.

[johnsmith]

What's your take on the situation, js? I in ially thought Cutler was driving the situation but it seems like it's getting stranger by the day. Honestly, now it looks like Cutler may be the only one telling the truth or at least a semblance of the truth.

Just an odd way for things to have unfolded and an odd series of half-truths explaining the situation.

I think the same way you do..........everyone ed up. Initially, it wasn't a good idea to "secretly" try to work out a three way trade involving three agents, three teams, and three GM's.......this was going to get out.

I also don't think it would have been a good idea to trade Cutler in order to bring in Cassell because I think Cutler is a better talent with just as much if not more upside.

I also think McDaniels learned too much from Bellichek and has inherited much of the arrogance that the Pats have.

I also think McDainiels should have just been up front and honest with Cutler from the get go.

I think Bowlen should step in, restructure Cutler's contract and get him more guaranteed money to make him happy.

Cutler should stop being a as well, I don't understand the "I'm so mad that they were going to trade me I think they should trade me" thing.

I'm hoping they can work it out because I honestly think Cutler is going to be an outstanding quarterback. However, if they don't work it out, I'm still going to stick with my team, and Cutler will be my least favorite player EVER.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

I think the same way you do..........everyone ed up. Initially, it wasn't a good idea to "secretly" try to work out a three way trade involving three agents, three teams, and three GM's.......this was going to get out.

I also don't think it would have been a good idea to trade Cutler in order to bring in Cassell because I think Cutler is a better talent with just as much if not more upside.

I also think McDaniels learned too much from Bellichek and has inherited much of the arrogance that the Pats have.

I also think McDainiels should have just been up front and honest with Cutler from the get go.

I think Bowlen should step in, restructure Cutler's contract and get him more guaranteed money to make him happy.

Cutler should stop being a as well, I don't understand the "I'm so mad that they were going to trade me I think they should trade me" thing.

I'm hoping they can work it out because I honestly think Cutler is going to be an outstanding quarterback. However, if they don't work it out, I'm still going to stick with my team, and Cutler will be my least favorite player EVER.

If they are honestly considering going with Simms, Stafford or Quinn and a few picks over Cutler, then they are ing bat- crazy. It has to be a monster deal, above and beyond, or you just inherited the next Millen/Morningweg.

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McNabb and Garcia were still good quarterbacks without TO, and Romo will also be just fine without him and his bull .

Yes they were both very good QBs without him. But there is no question that they were much better quarterbacks with TO. With him, they were putting up some monster stats.

I think Romo will do fine, but there is no question that TO helped him a LOT.

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lol cutler

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oh crap

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just realized if cutler goes, then i can't say lol, cutler to johnsmith anymore...