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Which would be a perfectly valid argument if I'd ever made that assertion.
Statement One (Gays want equal rights)
Statement Two (Gays want extra rights)
What's funny is that really isn't the original point of this thread.
I think we all knew it would head this way though.
Which would be a perfectly valid argument if I'd ever made that assertion.
Great. Your opinion.
My opinion is that there are plenty of people that can't make up their minds.
Yippee.
So, shall we compare your impressive list of people who can't make up their minds, like your Anne Heche example, against the millions who have?
How old were you when you decided to be straight?
What is he basing his point on? Where has science in fact proven or disproven this.
I'd like to know because I've yet to read that article or study.
I never said science has proven anything.
But feel free to show me where science has proven the existence of a gay gene and I'll run it to President Obama right away so we can put an end to this debate once and for all.
Obama has Bracketology on his mind at the moment.
Leave him alone for now.
There actually isn't that much empirical data on either side of the fence. Theory all over the place, hypotheses all over the place, but not much in terms of actual, conclusive studies.
Great!!!!
All I'm saying is that it proves nothing to anyone but you.
is this more of your opinion or is this scientific proof?but attraction is not -- either you like pussy, or you don't, to put it bluntly.
I know the answer, but I want yours.
Genetics and personal choice aren't the only two options, I hate to break it to you.
well, since we were told girls had cooties throughout elementary school, I'm guessing somewhere around 6th grade.
you can break it off into whatever subsections you want, but in the end, yes they are.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7456588.stm
There have been studies in which brain scans show significant physical differences between hetero male/female brains and their gay counterparts.
Has science proven the existence of hetero genes?
Yea, we're talking about mothers eating their young. But, anyway, we could probably link that to post-partum depression. So, there's a correlation there.
Is there one that has proven to find a hetero gene?
How old were you when you decided you liked broccoli?
there are countless studies on the subject.
This doesn't ring a bell?
Here is a half assed quick search with a few comments on the matter.
Before I go farther, let me say that from a scientific point of view, any genetic variation that occurs in 1% or more of the members of a certain population is considered to be "normal." No matter whose survey and numbers you use, the incidence of gays and lesbians is clearly greater than 1%. Amongst certain families, the incidence of family members who are gay is very high. In over 60% of identical twins, if one is gay, the partner twin will also be gay. Among non-identical twins, about 22% are gay, which is higher than pairs of non-twin brothers at 11%. These results suggest that genetics are strongly involved in the establishment of sexual iden ies. In the general population, the incidence is probably less than 10%, but the exact figure is not known. It is important to emphasize that any survey examining sexual orientation will most certainly be an underestimate of the actual percentages, primarily because many individuals who are not "out" will likely deny being gay, even though they are sexual.A genetic study reported in the journal Science in 1993 (Science 261:321-327 [1993]) is probably the most definitive study so far which clearly links sexuality with genetics. This particular study examines only male sexuality, but female sexuality has similar genetic associations. First, these researchers studied gay brothers and showed that the incidence of gay males were often concentrated in certain families. In addition, the presence of gay males in a family tree usually followed maternal (mother and sister) pedigrees. That is, the genetic trait for male sexuality appeared to be inherited by a son from his mother. This genetic trait, however, could be carried by other females in the family so that these women could also produce gay sons. It appears, however, that women carrying this gay genetic trait are heterosexual. Moreover, a gay child in these families would be more likely to have gay cousins if these cousins were the sons of his mother's sisters (his maternal aunts) rather than his mother's brothers (his maternal uncles). In fact, virtually none of his mother's brothers ever had gay sons. Likewise, few gay males would likely exist on his father's side of the family. Since these gay genes seem to be carried by females, it is likely that some of his maternal uncles (his mother's brothers) would also be gay since these uncles would have inherited the same gay genetic trait from their mother (your mother's mother or your maternal grandmother).Several lines of evidence suggest a weak-moderate genetic component to sexual preference. A genetic basis is especially difficult to establish for human behavioral differences, both because we don’t do experimental crosses with people and because there is so much parental influence on behavior that confounds environmental effects with genetic ones. One of the most useful comparisons therefore makes use of identical twins versus non-identical (fraternal) twins. Identical twins are genetically the same, so any difference between a twin pair must be non-genetic (environmental). Fraternal twins are genetically related but not identical. Both kinds of twins share the womb and are the same age, so they experience many environmental similarities that might be thought to affect behavior. As a consequence, if identical twins more often have the same type of behavior than fraternal twins, we suspect a partial genetic basis to the behavior. If the behavior was 100% due to genes, two identical twins should always have the same behavior. And if there is no genetic basis to the behavior, then identical twins should no more often be similar to each other than fraternal twins.
The twin data show that identical twins have about 50% concordance for sexual preference in some studies, 30% in others. Fraternal twins have nearly half this concordance. So these data suggest that there is a modest effect of genetics. Other data, using a combination of molecular techniques and pedigrees, suggest that an X-linked gene or region influences sexual preference, but that finding has not been confirmed in all careful studies.One widely cited study in the 1990s found that if one member of a pair of identical twins was gay, the other had a 52 percent chance of being gay. In contrast, the result for pairs of non-twin brothers, was 9 percent. A 2000 study of Australian identical twins found a much lower chance.
Dr. Alan Sanders of Evanston Northwestern Healthcare Research Ins ute, the lead researcher of the new study, said he suspects there isn't one so-called "gay gene."
It is more likely there are several genes that interact with nongenetic factors, including psychological and social influences, to determine sexual orientation, said Sanders, a psychiatrist.
Still, he said, "If there's one gene that makes a sizable contribution, we have a pretty good chance" of finding it.
Many gays fear that if gay genes are identified, it could result in discrimination, prenatal testing and even abortions to eliminate sexuals, said Joel Ginsberg of the Gay and Lesbian Medical Association.A big federal study is underway to identify the specific DNA changes that contribute to being a sexual. Note that scientists are not investigating whether or not being gay is genetic. The evidence is already pretty strong at this point that there is a genetic component to being gay. What they are looking for are the specific changes.
For example, one study showed that if one identical twin was gay, then the other was 50% of the time. If the two brothers were fraternal twins, then the odds dropped down to 22%. And if one brother was adopted, the odds were only 11%.
Another more comprehensive study gave similar results with both twins in an identical twin pair being gay around 32% of the time as compared to 13% of the time for fraternal twins. Lots of other studies have been done that show the same trend even if they don't have the exact same numbers.
These results strongly suggest genes are involved because identical twins share the exact same DNA. If both twins in an identical twin pair have some trait in common more often than do fraternal twins, then odds are that genetics plays a role.
These twin studies show that being gay is at least partly genetic. So the new study is really just looking to explain explain the older results.
Recognizing an existing orientation is not the same thing as consciously choosing an orientation.
yes I cited just a small few out of the thousands using a page called "google".
Seems to be more of a basis than you think. Quite a few reputable studies suggest its genetic and most legitimate sources cited that it was already widely accepted throughout the scientific community.
The fact of the matter is that Blake is doing what Blake always does and thats pass off his opinion as some kind of scientifically researched fact or lack thereof. He has no basis for his statements and provides no material to support it.
No, they're not. It's entirely possible that there are several factors that influence ones sexuality at a young age so that one is predisposed to a certain sexual orientation in a way that removes the element of conscious choice, but is not necessarily linked to a specific gene or elements of biology.
I was probably about five when I recognized that I liked broccoli.
If science can prove the existence of hetero gene, then science could then pretty much prove the existence of a gay gene.
You really are an idiot.
"......[rat] Mothers tend to kill deformed or wounded infants, which may allow her to allocate resources to the healthy pups who are more likely to survive. Mothers may also kill entire litters when they are stressed, perhaps because the mother perceives the environment as too hostile for pup survival, or she perceives herself as unable to rear the litter successfully, so she recuperates some her energetic investment by consuming the young. Malnourished mothers, and mothers who have an abnormal birth experience, may also become infanticidal."Yea, we're talking about mothers eating their young. But, anyway, we could probably link that to post-partum depression. So, there's a correlation there.
http://www.ratbehavior.org/infantici...nalInfanticide
do you need any more weird behaviors in nature or are you through getting owned?
If science can prove the existence of hetero gene, then science could then pretty much prove the existence of a gay gene.Is there one that has proven to find a hetero gene?
You really are an idiot.
Although I disagree I have to give props to Blake for holding his own.
well then what is the government waiting for?
Do lawmakers not have access to that page called "google"?
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