Which statement about gay rights do you agree with more.

[mrsmaalox]

It was something my ex boyfriend told me once

I think he must have had ulterior motives!!

[I Love Me Some Me]

You are implying that you are only "in line with your natural sexual function" if you are attracted to someone of the opposite sex. So if someone is attracted to a person of the same sex..you are saying they are not natural by someone's standards and I was curious as to whom. Someone who is powerful enough to determine what is natural to an entire species would be nice to know.

Natural sexual function is to reproduce. Biologically speaking, the only sexual relationship that can reprduce is that of a man and a woman. That isn't my opinion, that isn't something I read, that isn't something they told me in Sunday school...that is a basic, simple biological fact.

So, whether you believe that someone made us that way, or nature made us that way, or that's what we evolved to be...I don't know how you can dispute that sex in it's most basic function (reproduction) is only natural in a heterosexual event.

[CuckingFunt]

I know some guys who refuse to acknowledge that they think another man is attractive. You don't have to be gay to know that Brad Pitt, Hugh Jackman, Denzel Washington are studs.

Those guys are scaredy cats.

[Summers]

(This doesn't seem to apply to women. you can eat all the pussy you want andstill be straight. )

This reminds me of my lesbian friend who told me I'm her only straight friend who, upon learning that she was gay, didn't tell her I'd had a lesbian experience.

[Blake]

After all these pages, not only do I not know what point you're trying to make, I am increasingly unconvinced that you know what point you're trying to make.

I am convinced very few understand the point of this thread.

Until proven otherwise, just like you are going on your own opinion that orientation is basically out of someone's control, it's my opinion that it's more of a choice than not (which isn't to say that I think it's 100% choice)....

Which means that a gay man has the same right as I do if he chooses to marry a woman.

I also do not have the right to marry another man same as a gay man.

Gays are asking for extra rights on top of the ones already granted equally to every American.

[samikeyp]

Natural sexual function is to reproduce. Biologically speaking, the only sexual relationship that can reprduce is that of a man and a woman. That isn't my opinion, that isn't something I read, that isn't something they told me in Sunday school...that is a basic, simple biological fact.

So, whether you believe that someone made us that way, or nature made us that way, or that's what we evolved to be...I don't know how you can dispute that sex in it's most basic function (reproduction) is only natural in a heterosexual event.

I believe reproduction is one of the functions of sex, but not the only one. Talk down to me if you want but that is just my opinion.

[David Bowie]

I never heard of that! I thought it was only if you were being paid a bunch of money.

I think he must have had ulterior motives!!

well, he did go to gay clubs...just for the music. He shaved his chest. He always told me that if he were gay, he would so and so. and he flirted with some gay kid at a checkout counter....just for laughs of course.

In all seriousness, I think he was really straight and confident. As far as I know, he's married to some chick right now. (not me)

[I Love Me Some Me]

I'm good then.

That's what he said.

[purist]

Prejudice and oppression are different things -- one operates at an individual level, the other operates at an ins utional level. Personal prejudice would still continue regardless any changes in law (in the immediate future, at least), but systemic oppression would be considerably more difficult.

My long term vision of a perfect world would include changing people's at udes and erasing all individual prejudices, but systemic and ins utional oppression has to be the first to fall in order for that to have even the slightest chance of happening. In the here and now, I think the laws should change in order to represent all people equally, and I really give all about whether or not everyone is happy and comfortable with it. At udes of hate need not be coddled.

Hmm. It's kinda the old chicken or egg question. does law merely reflect the personal prejudices and/or enlightment of the citizenry; or or is law the agent of change that shapes personal prejudices?

I tend to believe that personal beliefs (whether they be "prejudices" or not) shape law; not the other way around. Therefore, I'm inclined to fall back on the old cliche that you can't legislate morality or, in this case, acceptance of sexuality.

I see the same in Christianity. Throughout history and up to today, there has been a battle within the ranks between zealots who have attempted to impose their beliefs on others and individualists who have opted to view their beliefs as personal within the realm of free will. It seems much the same to me within this sexual issue.

Just a thought.

[Summers]

Which means that a gay man has the same right as I do if he chooses to marry a woman.

I also do not have the right to marry another man same as a gay man.

Gays are asking for extra rights on top of the ones already granted equally to every American.

[JoeChalupa]

That's what he said.

Damn it!

[samikeyp]

Blake,

What extra rights are gay people asking for? You probably posted it but 11 pages..damn!

[Blake]

Did you actually read the article you posted? Did you understand it? Do you understand that they ran a test and didn't like the results so they polled data from a different pool and ran with the one with a lower %. Then lended credibility to the possibility of it being hereditary at the end of the article.

Of course I read it.

There isn't one study out there that can claim "gay gene"

There also aren't any studies that rule out the possibility of it being hereditary at the end.

Why am I not surprised you don't get the article. I'm betting you don't know what a monozygotic twin is without having to quickly google it.

You, BacktoBasics, are an idiot.

[CuckingFunt]

Gays are asking for extra rights on top of the ones already granted equally to every American.

This is where we disagree. Fundamentally.

Not surprising, I suppose, considering the fact that it is our quotes providing the framework for this thread/poll.

If you take gender out of the equation, it becomes clear that the law/rights are NOT currently equal. Straight people can legally share their lives with the person they love, gay people cannot. That is a huge difference.

[samikeyp]

Gay Gene....isn't he the guy downtown giving hand jobs for crack?

[Blake]

Blake,

What extra rights are gay people asking for? You probably posted it but 11 pages..damn!

gay men are asking for the right to marry other gay men.

gay women are asking for the right to marry other women.

Currently any American man can marry a woman.

Currently no American man can marry another man.

[samikeyp]

gay men are asking for the right to marry other gay men.

gay women are asking for the right to marry other women.

Currently any American man can marry a woman.

Currently no American man can marry another man.

Shouldn't you be allowed to marry anyone you want?

[I Love Me Some Me]

I believe reproduction is one of the functions of sex, but not the only one. Talk down to me if you want but that is just my opinion.

I wasn't trying to talk down to you, I was only trying to simplify my explanation.

[peewee's lovechild]

Wait a sec, who's sucking who?

Interesting question.

[Blake]

This is where we disagree. Fundamentally.

Not surprising, I suppose, considering the fact that it is our quotes providing the framework for this thread/poll.

If you take gender out of the equation, it becomes clear that the law/rights are NOT currently equal. Straight people can legally share their lives with the person they love, gay people cannot. That is a huge difference.

I don't really care if you disagree because it's a fact that gender is part of the equation.

It's a fact that gays are asking for extra rights.

[samikeyp]

I wasn't trying to talk down to you, I was only trying to simplify my explanation.

At what point did you determine I needed to have it simplified?

[Blake]

Shouldn't you be allowed to marry anyone you want?

you mean like a 12 year old or a cat?

I'm gonna say no.

But again, I'll say I have no problem with gays getting the extra rights to get married.

[samikeyp]

I don't really care if you disagree because it's a fact that gender is part of the equation.

It's a fact that gays are asking for extra rights.

Not really because if a law is passed where members of the same sex can get married, then gay men and straight men will have that right.

[peewee's lovechild]

(This doesn't seem to apply to women. you can eat all the pussy you want andstill be straight. )

Us men love that about you women.

[samikeyp]

you mean like a 12 year old or a cat?

I'm gonna say no.

No, I meant another adult and you know that.