View Poll Results: Which statement do you agree with more

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  • Statement One (Gays want equal rights)

    63 67.02%
  • Statement Two (Gays want extra rights)

    31 32.98%
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  1. #276
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    gay men are asking for the right to marry other gay men.

    gay women are asking for the right to marry other women.

    Currently any American man can marry a woman.

    Currently no American man can marry another man.
    Doesn't this go back to the idea that a law isn't necessarily a good law just because it's a law? Are gays really asking for an exception to the law or just what's fair? Gays want to be legally bound so they can buy homes together, adopt families, share bank accounts, have informed consent regarding medical decisions, have the right to make end-of-life decisions. Why would anyone be against that? Can gays screw up marriage anymore than the 50% of heterosexuals who've tried it and given up?

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    Not really because if a law is passed where members of the same sex can get married, then gay men and straight men will have that right.
    once the law is passed, then gender will no longer be part of the equation.

    It currently is.

    Gays are asking for extra rights.

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    This is where we disagree. Fundamentally.

    Not surprising, I suppose, considering the fact that it is our quotes providing the framework for this thread/poll.

    If you take gender out of the equation, it becomes clear that the law/rights are NOT currently equal. Straight people can legally share their lives with the person they love, gay people cannot. That is a huge difference.
    As far as the law is concerned, love has nothing to do with it.

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    Doesn't this go back to the idea that a law isn't necessarily a good law just because it's a law? Are gays really asking for an exception to the law or just what's fair? Gays want to be legally bound so they can buy homes together, adopt families, share bank accounts, have informed consent regarding medical decisions, have the right to make end-of-life decisions. Why would anyone be against that? Can gays screw up marriage anymore than the 50% of heterosexuals who've tried it and given up?
    See, this is a good example of someone that is confused about the subject of the thread.

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    No, I meant another adult and you know that.
    I know what you meant.

    Although I could have pulled a Huckabee on you and opened a big can of worms.

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    At what point did you determine I needed to have it simplified?
    When you asked "According to who?"

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    When you asked "According to who?"
    There you go again. Nice.

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    See, this is a good example of someone that is confused about the subject of the thread.
    I thought I was addressing what you said was the subject of this thread. (shrug)

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    I know what you meant.

    Although I could have pulled a Huckabee on you and opened a big can of worms.
    Keep your Huckabee's to yourself!

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    Hmm. It's kinda the old chicken or egg question. does law merely reflect the personal prejudices and/or enlightment of the citizenry; or or is law the agent of change that shapes personal prejudices?

    I tend to believe that personal beliefs (whether they be "prejudices" or not) shape law; not the other way around. Therefore, I'm inclined to fall back on the old cliche that you can't legislate morality or, in this case, acceptance of sexuality.

    I see the same in Christianity. Throughout history and up to today, there has been a battle within the ranks between zealots who have attempted to impose their beliefs on others and individualists who have opted to view their beliefs as personal within the realm of free will. It seems much the same to me within this sexual issue.

    Just a thought.
    But if both sides of the coin could be seen as legislating morality/personal prejudice -- either forcing the acceptance of sexuality or forcing the discrimination of sexuality -- shouldn't we err on the side of human rights and equality?

    And I think that laws are often a reflection of society's collective prejudices and personal beliefs, but there's no doubt that legal equality has profound effects on reducing those prejudices. Prejudice and ins utional discrimination still exist on ethnic/racial bases, but nowhere near to the same extent as they did when there were segregation/slavery/immigration/anti-miscegenation laws on the books. Legally backed equal representation normalizes difference and promotes acceptance/tolerance which, I think, benefits all of us, not just members of the affected groups.

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    Gay Gene....isn't he the guy downtown giving hand jobs for crack?

    That literally made laugh out loud. Thanks, I needed that today.

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    That literally made laugh out loud. Thanks, I needed that today.


    You are welcome.

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    I don't really care if you disagree because it's a fact that gender is part of the equation.

    It's a fact that gays are asking for extra rights.
    Neither of those statements are fact.

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    Neither of those statements are fact.
    I don't know...I am pretty sure that its a fact that Blake doesn't care if you disagree.


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    Neither of those statements are fact.
    The poll is reaching 70% for those that don't think that gays are asking for extra rights. A poll that he requested. Its like talking to a child.

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    There you go again. Nice.
    You asked a question, I answered it. In a thread full of people calling each other every name in the book, I've answered each of your questions respectfully and thouroughly...yet you've managed to find a way to take offense to that.

    If you're bothered by the way I've answered you, then just don't ask me questions anymore because I'm not sure how else to respond.

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    You asked a question, I answered it. In a thread full of people calling each other every name in the book, I've answered each of your questions respectfully and thouroughly...yet you've managed to find a way to take offense to that.

    If you're bothered by the way I've answered you, then just don't ask me questions anymore because I'm not sure how else to respond.
    For the most part yes but you also managed to throw in shots, minor shots but still unneccessary. Aside from a couple of those its been good debate and still much more civil than a lot of what has been said.

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    No, I meant another adult and you know that.
    This is the kind of lunacy that he's been spewing.

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    LEt me put it this way:

    You are a straight dude. Marriege is important to you. By law, you are only allowed to mary other dudes. Would you be happy?

    True, we all have equal rights. But those rights don't consider the wishes of a large percentage of our population.

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    well, he did go to gay clubs...just for the music. He shaved his chest. He always told me that if he were gay, he would so and so. and he flirted with some gay kid at a checkout counter....just for laughs of course.

    In all seriousness, I think he was really straight and confident. As far as I know, he's married to some chick right now. (not me)


    LOL

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    Neither of those statements are fact.
    the fact that only a man can marry a woman is a fact. That's fact no matter how much you disagree with it.

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    LEt me put it this way:

    You are a straight dude. Marriege is important to you. By law, you are only allowed to mary other dudes. Would you be happy?

    True, we all have equal rights. But those rights don't consider the wishes of a large percentage of our population.
    another person that doesnt understand the question

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    The poll is reaching 70% for those that don't think that gays are asking for extra rights. A poll that he requested. Its like talking to a child.
    It's a shame only 30% understand both the question and basic concepts. , I've already counted one drunk and two chicks that said as much.

    I also never requested the poll that you started. I sarcastically said to take your poll and start a new thread with it.

    Your level of fail continues to amaze me. If you're not careful, you might reach Wild Cobra levels of fail.

    How much does it suck to know that even though you have 70% picking what you want them to pick, that you are still getting brutally owned?

    You, BacktoBasics, are an idiot.

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    Blake, I can tell you're big on technicalities, but for the sake of my next question, pretend this debate didn't start 12 pages ago. If gays were allowed all the same legal rights straight couples are allowed so that they could "marry" instead of just shack up, which is what they do now, how would it affect you? Would it hurt you? Would it cheapen your marriage (if/when you're married)? If so, how? I'm not trying to be snarky in the least; I honestly don't understand why you think it's bad to let gays marry.

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    This is the kind of lunacy that he's been spewing.
    Just because you are illiterate doesn't mean that I am spewing lunacy.

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