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You sure do have some back-woods ideas for someone so vehemently anti-religion. Do you just hate everyone?
Statement One (Gays want equal rights)
Statement Two (Gays want extra rights)
You forgot to add awesome!
You sure do have some back-woods ideas for someone so vehemently anti-religion. Do you just hate everyone?
I think you mean fabulous!You forgot to add awesome!
Summers asked me why I opposed gay marriage.
That has nothing to do with this point of this thread.
ding ding. someone else gets it.
It got this far because B2B and I like to "debate"
Yeah, it's pretty close to being a semantic dispute, and again it's really a very minor argument in the bigger picture of legalizing same sex marriage.
I still don't but, meh, I'm thinking it doesn't matter much any more.
Yup that is fact.The problem I have with that point is that it is impossible to look at a piece of policy, especially policy which I see as actively discriminatory and which has a very real effect on my life, and its semantics as two separate things. Yes, it's true that every adult, male, female, gay, straight, bisexual, whatever, currently has the right to marry someone of the opposite sex (though, I'm not sure where that leaves intersexed individuals, since they don't have a legally defined "opposite"). That is fact. Everyone has acknowledged that is fact.
As for intersexed individuals, Americans cannot get married on their own until they are at least 18 for the most part.
By then, that person most likely has had the time and the proper counseling/support/advice/soul searching/etc to figure out which gender he/she wants to be. By that point, they will have a legal opposite.
If science can provide definitive proof of a gay gene, you can then take gender out.However, the point that I've countered is that this technicality has very specific implications and that, if you take gender out of the equation, if you take semantics out of the equation, it is very clear how different and discriminatory the current laws are.
Until then, no.....there is no clear discrimination.
Ive already been asked why am I against gay marriage. I don't think that was an argument against my semantics.No one is arguing against the semantics of your argument, we're merely arguing that those semantics aren't good enough. It is a technical equality being used to mask a lived inequality. As much as you may argue that my point, or anyone else's, is completely unrelated to yours, they are very much connected.
I've already acknowledged it and no, I'm not refuting it because I agree..........we would all have the same extra rights if gay marriage laws were passed.Furthermore, there are several people who have accurately countered your argument based on the same technicalities and semantics on which you are so reliant. If gay marriage laws were passed, all adults, male, female, gay, straight, bisexual, whatever, would have the legal ability to marry any other adult. You have yet to acknowledge, let alone refute, this point.
Hooray.
polls are always great ideas for exposing truths in the world.2006-MAY-08: A Gallup Organization poll: They conducted a poll among 1,002 American adults from 2006-MAY-08 to 11. The margin of error is about 3 percentage points. Results were:
On extending marriage to include same-sex couples: 58% are opposed.
39% are in favor
3% are undecided or did not respond.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_marp.htm
i think the minority who is for gay marriage are just jumping on the politically correct bandwagon. there is no gay gene. there is absolutely no indication of sexual predisposition. it's a choice.
same as if Blake, instead of chasing blonde skirts with amazing s, he decides he is curiously lusting for a penis to suck on. it's a choice.
it's a perversion, in my opinion.
Why, tell me why can't they find a woman attractive? A woman also has an anus, but then she also has a VAGINA, specially designed feel good orifice for the penis. SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED!!!
Why can't they find an emotional connection with a woman? It's not like men and women are so different that they are aliens to each other. You can find an emotional connection to a woman if you wanted to.
WHat it comes down to, is sexual perversion. Fetish of the disgusting kind, and they can do it behind closed doors all they want. They have a right to.
But what they are asking is for society to 'normalize' them, to 'accept them' through marriage. They can be gay and live together and have a legal union and enjoy tax benefits and all that good stuff,
but don't ask society to accept your perversion as if it's 'normal' and have my kids think it's 'normal'
Not gonna happen anytime soon.
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Slavery was a tradition for thousands upon thousands of years.
Even the bible speaks of slavery. The Old Testament speaks of how the Israelites should treat their slaves. , the Israelites where themselves slaves in the Egyptian Empire.
So, using your rationale . . . we all have the right to wrangle up some people we feel are beneath us and force them to be our slaves.
After all, we wouldn't want to change a mulit thousand year old tradition, now would we?
The fact that all of your posts objecting to a gay lifestyle refer only to men says a lot about the possible source of your phobia.
You used a logical fallacy
There have been many laws and decrees throughout history to racially discriminate and persecute Jews, blacks, etc..
So, using your rationale. . . we all have the right to ignore all laws and live in anarchy.
phobia, no such thing exist.
are you trying that 10 cent psychology thing? lol
by the way, phobia means I am scared of it, which I am not.
I am disgusted by it, I have contempt for it. it's pathetic in my eyes. it's not fear.
every time someone is against sexuality, someone chimes in with the 'you are a phobe. you are probably running from your own feelings of sexuality!!'
don't be a simpleton. don't regurgitate cliche phrases you heard somewhere else without thinking what it means.
Why do you buy so many cu bers at the grocery store?
because you touch yourself at night
So, you're gay. I knew it!
only in your dreams
Why avoid them? they're for digestion, anyone else suggesting otherwise is kermit in this thread.
I'm just skipping to the end here.
But for all the "blah blah blah un-natural act blah blah" people...
Have you ever read children's accounts on why they are gay? They are always the same, read any psychology study. They all go like this:
Straight kid
"I've always known I was straight... when I was watching a movie and a woman took her shirt off... I felt good. I wanted to see it, I got aroused. That was the first time it happened, when I was 12. I found my dad's magazines and looked at the pictures..."These are ALWAYS the same. The kids are obviously born gay or straight for whatever reason. You know the feeling, the first time you were aroused by the sex that you prefer. It happened on its own, you didn't "choose".Gay kid
"I always felt different, I felt that I didn't like girls, but I was scared to tell anyone. I was confused because society and people, they told me those gay feelings were wrong. But one day I found a clothing magazine... the stuff you get with the newspaper and there was a man without his shirt, just in underpants. My hands got sweaty and I was enjoying looking at it. I knew I was gay from then on."
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