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    Sderot, struck by over 7,500 rockets since 2001 is in Israel proper and has never been in a "disputed" territory -- unless, of course, you take the position of Hamas who says all of Israel is in dispute and that the Jews should be run into the ocean...etc...with which, I gather, Nbadan concurs.
    It's curious why the Palestinian death tolls are always so high in relation to the Israeli death tolls and how the percentage of those Palestinian death tolls are so high among women and children. 1,300 Palestinians killed to 13 Israelis killed with 42% of the 1,300 Palestinians being women and children. Their use of force always seems disproportionate and misdirected.

    So i guess you steal my candy bar and I'll pull a gun out and you in the head Yonivore?

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    There is not Palestinian authority. Anyone that believes that only demonstrates there poor grasp on the whole situation.

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    It's curious why the Palestinian death tolls are always so high in relation to the Israeli death tolls and how the percentage of those Palestinian death tolls are so high among women and children. 1,300 Palestinians killed to 13 Israelis killed with 42% of the 1,300 Palestinians being women and children. Their use of force always seems disproportionate and misdirected.

    So i guess you steal my candy bar and I'll pull a gun out and you in the head Yonivore?
    Palestinians take their women and children to battle with them, store their weapons in civilian neighborhoods, and fire their rockets from schools and other public ins utions.

    On the other hand, Israelis spend millions on population protection, don't garrison their troops in neighborhoods and don't launch attacks from their kids' schools. And, I'm betting the Israeli Military doesn't have a take your family to work day. Just saying.

    Not curious at all.

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    Why are you associating Hamas with the Palest. so readily? Hamas opens fire on Palestenians openly in public. They get their weapons from Iran leaving the weak palest. government defenseless. Even after all that supporting them doesn't seem to hard a task when Israel kills 1300 people in a three week span.

    Some of you people are so staid it is frightening.
    What you miss is that what is portrayed in the article as atrocities are alleged. What chances do you think they are true? I would assume they are about as true as the lies the left made about governor Palin. Mostly lies, little fact.

    Propaganda and lies.

    Who is the source? Where are the names? Even the articles says "ALLEGED!"

    Leave it to you anti-semtic lib s to be on the side of Hamas.

    ing traitorous hearts you lib s have. Assume the worse. Where are the values of our cons ution that presumes innocent until proven guilty? Can we have at least some evidence rather than UNNAMED SOURCES?

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    stfu WC

    I think I've discovered the only suitable response to any WC post. It's succinct and it feels good to post. Everyone should try it.

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    stfu WC

    I think I've discovered the only suitable response to any WC post. It's succinct and it feels good to post. Everyone should try it.
    stfu oh gee.

    You're right.

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    stfu oh gee.

    You're right.
    it sounds stupid when you do it.

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    it sounds stupid when you do it.
    Quit reading it out loud then.

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    What you miss is that what is portrayed in the article as atrocities are alleged. What chances do you think they are true? I would assume they are about as true as the lies the left made about governor Palin. Mostly lies, little fact.

    Propaganda and lies.

    Who is the source? Where are the names? Even the articles says "ALLEGED!"

    Leave it to you anti-semtic lib s to be on the side of Hamas.

    ing traitorous hearts you lib s have. Assume the worse. Where are the values of our cons ution that presumes innocent until proven guilty? Can we have at least some evidence rather than UNNAMED SOURCES?
    You're a ing joke

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    So i guess you steal my candy bar and I'll pull a gun out and you in the head Yonivore?
    I think I see where you're going, but you might want to rethink one of the terms of the comparison, sook. It was unfortunately chosen. It just isn't accurate.

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    Intriguingly, sook imagines Yoni in the place of Hamas, and himself as a vengeful Israel.

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    ^ lol

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    What you miss is that what is portrayed in the article as atrocities are alleged. What chances do you think they are true? I would assume they are about as true as the lies the left made about governor Palin. Mostly lies, little fact.

    Propaganda and lies.

    Who is the source? Where are the names? Even the articles says "ALLEGED!"

    Leave it to you anti-semtic lib s to be on the side of Hamas.

    ing traitorous hearts you lib s have. Assume the worse. Where are the values of our cons ution that presumes innocent until proven guilty? Can we have at least some evidence rather than UNNAMED SOURCES?
    Idiots...

    What level of facts did I specify?

    None!

    I said I heard, I never gave verification or source. I didn't remember the complete context. Figured someone had to start the thread.

    Sorry for disappointing you, but I have little time these days to research, respond, and fact check.

    How many times do I state anything as fact lately? Please guys. Get a grip on reality.

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    Let's not forget all those innocent until proven guilty sufferers in GTMO that WC has cheered on support for.

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    It's curious why the Palestinian death tolls are always so high in relation to the Israeli death tolls and how the percentage of those Palestinian death tolls are so high among women and children. 1,300 Palestinians killed to 13 Israelis killed with 42% of the 1,300 Palestinians being women and children. Their use of force always seems disproportionate and misdirected.

    Palestinians take their women and children to battle with them, store their weapons in civilian neighborhoods, and fire their rockets from schools and other public ins utions.

    On the other hand, Israelis spend millions on population protection, don't garrison their troops in neighborhoods and don't launch attacks from their kids' schools. And, I'm betting the Israeli Military doesn't have a take your family to work day. Just saying.

    Not curious at all.
    Still curious, sook?

    So i guess you steal my candy bar and I'll pull a gun out and you in the head Yonivore?
    Equating Israeli lives to candy bars? I think I see why you have such a weak grasp on the conflict.

    What, exactly, would you do if you were Israel?

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    ...in which they confront the criminality of command, and the cruelty of their own conduct. War is , right?


    Has any such attempt really been made in the thread? The crimes of both sides can be tallied without any reference to respective moral stature.
    No, but this news illustrate two things: that wars are fought by men, not angels and that the parts aren't morally equivalent.


    They already do some of that, they are a political party in Lebanon after all....
    No, that's Hezbollah.

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    Still curious, sook?


    Equating Israeli lives to candy bars? I think I see why you have such a weak grasp on the conflict.

    What, exactly, would you do if you were Israel?
    You know what is wrong with you idiots? You refuse to use common sense. The whole "Human Shields" take is the biggest load of bull i've ever heard. Do you honestly think they would go camp out somewhere where everybody knew their iden y? The Israeli Army would bomb the place in a second.

    Israeli Lives to Candy Bars? You're right i forgot that 1300 Palesinian lives = 13 Israeli lives. Huge difference because after all, the Palestenian people are dogs. They don't deserve to be loved. They don't deserve to be treated with respect. And they don't deserve to be mourned for when they are dropped like ants. I wouldn't expect a right wing nuthugger to be any more impartial anyways.

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    You know what is wrong with you idiots? You refuse to use common sense. The whole "Human Shields" take is the biggest load of bull i've ever heard. Do you honestly think they would go camp out somewhere where everybody knew their iden y? The Israeli Army would bomb the place in a second.
    I never said they saw them as "Human Shields." It's just the way Hamas and the Palestinians do business. The place little value on the lives of their familes and, so, they delight in creating a moral minefield for everyone else in the world.

    Israeli Lives to Candy Bars? You're right i forgot that 1300 Palesinian lives = 13 Israeli lives. Huge difference because after all, the Palestenian people are dogs. They don't deserve to be loved. They don't deserve to be treated with respect. And they don't deserve to be mourned for when they are dropped like ants. I wouldn't expect a right wing nuthugger to be any more impartial anyways.
    It seems to me the Palestinians that persist in launching attacks from their populated neighborhoods are the ones that treat Palestinians like dogs. They're the same ones that recruit women, children, and the mentally handicapped to become "martyrs" for Allah.

    If you don't want to be treated like a dog, you've got to stop acting like one.

    But, seriously, what should Israel do the next time a barrage of rockets fly from Gaza to Sderot?

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    Here, sook, get anothe education...

    On Campus: The Pro-Palestinians' Real Agenda


    Written by an Israeli Arab (who has visited both American college campuses and with Arabs in the West Bank) who thinks people like you and MannyIsGod are worse than Hamas themselves.

    I know, you probably won't read this and you probably didn't read the last lesson I posted -- and it was a nice slide show -- but, hey, I tried.

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    I never said they saw them as "Human Shields." It's just the way Hamas and the Palestinians do business. The place little value on the lives of their familes and, so, they delight in creating a moral minefield for everyone else in the world.


    It seems to me the Palestinians that persist in launching attacks from their populated neighborhoods are the ones that treat Palestinians like dogs. They're the same ones that recruit women, children, and the mentally handicapped to become "martyrs" for Allah.

    If you don't want to be treated like a dog, you've got to stop acting like one.

    But, seriously, what should Israel do the next time a barrage of rockets fly from Gaza to Sderot?
    You're absolutely right Yoni. They should be like "Normal" people and accept the status Quo. The fact they live in a tiny shack should be acceptable to them. The fact that they can't own property should too. Did you hear what they did today in Israel? They passed a law saying only Jews could protest. And when Palestenians protested this law on the streets tear gas and force was used against them.

    Let me ask you something, do you honestly believe that whatever Israel does is just a response to a toy rocket that that is far from fatal more often than not? They flex their muscles Yoni. That whole Gaza invasion was just that. The longer you choose to stay ignorant the more apparent it is of how depraved you idiots are.



    I have a serious question for you, why is it that every right win sucker in this country loves Israel more than America? I have been baffled for years.

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    Here, sook, get anothe education...

    On Campus: The Pro-Palestinians' Real Agenda


    Written by an Israeli Arab (who has visited both American college campuses and with Arabs in the West Bank) who thinks people like you and MannyIsGod are worse than Hamas themselves.

    I know, you probably won't read this and you probably didn't read the last lesson I posted -- and it was a nice slide show -- but, hey, I tried.
    I never knew it was that hard to go pull up an article. I thought I'd help you as well.

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/israel-a...trocities.html

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/israel-a...trocities.html

    http://www.wrmea.com/backissues/0198/9801088.html


    And finally, i think you are oblivious to the fact of how Israel dictates our Foreign Policy on any Mideast affair, so here is a dumbed down version of a wikipedia article

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Isr...Foreign_Policy


    Mearsheimer and Walt argue that "No lobby has managed to divert U.S. foreign policy as far from what the American national interest would otherwise suggest, while simultaneously convincing Americans that U.S. and Israeli interests are essentially identical".[2] They argue that "in its basic operations, it is no different from interest groups like the Farm Lobby, steel and textile workers, and other ethnic lobbies. What sets the Israel Lobby apart is its extraordinary effectiveness." According to Mearsheimer and Walt, the "loose coalition" that makes up the Lobby has "significant leverage over the Executive branch," as well as the ability to make sure that the "Lobby's perspective on Israel is widely reflected in the mainstream media." They claim that AIPAC in particular has a "stranglehold on the U.S. Congress," due to its "ability to reward legislators and congressional candidates who support its agenda, and to punish those who challenge it."

    Mearsheimer and Walt decry what they call misuse of "the charge of anti-Semitism," and argue that pro-Israel groups place great importance on "controlling debate" in American academia; they maintain, however, that the Lobby has yet to succeed in its "campaign to eliminate criticism of Israel from college campuses" (see Campus Watch and U.S. Congress Bill H.R. 509). The authors conclude by arguing that when the Lobby succeeds in shaping U.S. policy in the Middle East, then "Israel's enemies get weakened or overthrown, Israel gets a free hand with the Palestinians, and the United States does most of the fighting, dying, rebuilding, and paying."[1]

    Pull your head out of your ass and stop trying to come off as such an ignorant fool. Btw, what was up with you disappearing for like a couple of months after you got Obama all over you?
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    I never knew it was that hard to go pull up an article. I thought I'd help you as well.

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/israel-a...trocities.html

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/israel-a...trocities.html

    http://www.wrmea.com/backissues/0198/9801088.html


    And finally, i think you are oblivious to the fact of how Israel dictates our Foreign Policy on any Mideast affair, so here is a dumbed down version of a wikipedia article

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Isr...Foreign_Policy





    Pull your head out of your ass and stop trying to come off as such an ignorant fool. Btw, what was up with you disappearing for like a couple of months after you got Obama all over you?
    Oh, you're one of those...

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    Oh, you're one of those...
    An Obama supporter? Obama. I love america, and i hate tools like you. Why did you leave btw?


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    Why do hate America Yoni? Why would you support a state whose leader boasts about

    telling us what to do?

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    Why do hate America Yoni? Why would you support a state whose leader boasts about

    telling us what to do?
    You haven't my question yet. What should Israel do in response to the constant barrage of rockets flying out of Gaza?

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