About Hill and Gooden

[45 bank shot]

Is pop freakin losing faith in them.
Gooden has played a few minutes in the 1st half and then completely disappeared in the second. I could tell from his face that he ain't happy...
As for Hill, his role shifted from starting pg( When TP went down) to backup PG, to desginated defender to now being chosen over by JV.
So the problem is, when it comes down to playoff time, those two studs are probably not going to play much and the spurs will have a huge disadvantage being unathletic once again.

What do you think?

[Solid D]

I think what Hill and Gooden need to do is keep a lead when they are in there. That would be a good start toward gaining confidence from their head coach.

[benefactor]

Kinda hard for Gooden to learn much and be effective when the backup PG position is so bad. Maybe timvp is right about waiting for Manu.

[Brazil]

I think we all agree nobody understands what Pop is doing with Hill and Gooden, nobody. At the beginning I thought it was because I'm not an expert on bb stuff but after reading threads after threads nobody understands about what Pop is doing.

[loveforthegame]

I think Gooden will be more effective when he can play with Manu out there. Or if he can play with some starters.

[Solid D]

Gooden's defense is awful right now and Hill's offensive acuity is nowhere to be found. The Mason experiment needs to see it's end, though, to be completely frank.

[crc21209]

I think that Hill and Gooden will benefit the most of the return of Manu. Because Manu we'll be out there with the 2nd team and creating and taking away some of the attention/pressure off of Hill/Gooden.

[benefactor]

I think Gooden will be more effective when he can play with Manu out there. Or if he can play with some starters.

I was thinking this the whole time he was in there. Mason and Hill look shaky at best running the pick and roll.

[superbigtime]

I think Pop is doing a poor coaching job with these two. We are not getting the most out of them. Pop needs to let Gooden show what he can do. Let him play for 8 minutes straight Pop and play him in both halves of the game and quit sticking him only with the scrubs. As for Hill, that kid is now so confused and you can put that squarely on Pop. He has shuffled him all over the place. He looked so great at the beginning of the year.

[Solid D]

True offensively... but defensively in Gooden's case, honey doesn't do that much for the taste of garbage.

[Chomag]

Gooden has never been a good defender and everyone knew that upon signing him. That was the main reason why I question the whole signing of him in the first place. Why some seem so surprised when he is not defending well is beyond me. I hope Pop is not benching him all because of that because he knew much more then we did when he signed him to the team.

However, maybe Pop just thought he could coach him into playing good defense and it's just not panning out to how he in-visioned it. Other then that I can not figure out what Pop is thinking. Maybe he has just lost all his marbles this year.

[Solid D]

I'm not surprised by Drew's poor defensive rotations...but Gooden will get meaningful minutes Pop's way.

[timvp]

Gooden still sucked at defense but his defense was an improvement over his last two outing. The last two times out, he played defense like a chicken with its head cut off. Tonight he played defense like a chicken who escaped a butcher because the knife was just a bit too dull.

[Brazil]

Gooden still sucked at defense but his defense was an improvement over his last two outing. The last two times out, he played defense like a chicken with its head cut off. Tonight he played defense like a chicken who escaped a butcher because the knife was just a bit too dull.

[superbigtime]

Gooden still sucked at defense but his defense was an improvement over his last two outing. The last two times out, he played defense like a chicken with its head cut off. Tonight he played defense like a chicken who escaped a butcher because the knife was just a bit too dull.

And Tony played offense like the butcher!

[Duncan2177]

I think Pop is doing a poor coaching job with these two. We are not getting the most out of them. Pop needs to let Gooden show what he can do. Let him play for 8 minutes straight Pop and play him in both halves of the game and quit sticking him only with the scrubs. As for Hill, that kid is now so confused and you can put that squarely on Pop. He has shuffled him all over the place. He looked so great at the beginning of the year.

I agree 100%

[MannyIsGod]

How could you all not expect this from Gooden? I mean anyone who has watched Gooden play in the past new what he was.

[timvp]

How could you all not expect this from Gooden? I mean anyone who has watched Gooden play in the past new what he was.

Truth. It wasn't an accident Gooden was regarded as one of the worst defensive bigs in the league prior to the acquisition.

Obviously the hope is he can learn the D just enough to allow his rebounding and scoring to be an asset. But I'll believe that when I see it.

[superbigtime]

I expect more than this, that's for sure!

[Solid D]

Gooden still sucked at defense but his defense was an improvement over his last two outing. The last two times out, he played defense like a chicken with its head cut off. Tonight he played defense like a chicken who escaped a butcher because the knife was just a bit too dull.

Well played.

[45 bank shot]

ye he definitely needs to improve defence, but how come pop won't set up some low-post game for him when hez probably one of the best offensive options in the game when Timmy was on the bench

[DespЏrado]

Gooden wasn't half bad tonight on either end of the floor. Hopefully he's coming around, and I pray Pop gives him some run with Duncan in the game.

Hill and Mason desperately need Manu to come back. Neither one of them excel at the point. But I would go back to letting Hill play some point. He needs to play that position to succeed in the NBA. Whether he sinks or swims is up to him.

[tomtom]

Pops is a fool, not giving more mins to Gooden and Hill will cost us down the road. Why did we even sign Gooden if hes not gonna play. Anyone is better than Bonner and Hill is much better than JV.

Hes gonna screw Hill up just like he did Beno!

POPS is a beast! Haha. Pop on the other hand is questionable...

Anyways I really do hope that Hill gets to go back to the point once Manu returns, Mason simply is not cutting it and well I'm sure we don't want to see a lot of JV in the playoffs

[45 bank shot]

Pops is a fool, not giving more mins to Gooden and Hill will cost us down the road. Why did we even sign Gooden if hes not gonna play. Anyone is better than Bonner and Hill is much better than JV.

Hes gonna screw Hill up just like he did Beno!

well bonner can at least spread the floor. but the thing is that pop is not givin gooden his most comfortable offensive game.
About hill, I think pop will have some mercy in him cuz at least he plays better D than Beno and Hill might come in handy coming playoff time defending a tough perimeter scorer

[SequSpur]

I'm not surprised by Drew's poor defensive rotations...but Gooden will get meaningful minutes Pop's way.

i see you managed to peak your head outside the express news back sports page and watch a in game for a change...

congrats...