Cool. See you there.
Neil Rackers got taken in the 6th round of that draft. His leg is obviously much weaker, but you could argue that Rackers > Janikowski over their careers.
You could have gotten Shaun Alexander or Keith Bulluck in the 1st round of that draft, and traded up to take Rackers in the 6th round.
lulz, or you could have taken Tom Brady in the 6th round, but you traded your 6th round pick away for Bobby Hoying
They had a good run? You mean the one Super Bowl appearance?
They got there in spite of drafting a kicker......not because of it.
No doubt Janikowski was a bit of a bust, because he was brought in to make most of his kicks. And so far, he hasn't. Remember that ans game back in 2001? The Raiders lost 13-16, and Janikowski missed 3 FG's. If the Raiders win that game, they don't play the Patriots in Foxboro. Of course, they also lost their last 3 games heading into the Playoffs. I remember them battling with the Steelers for best record in the AFC.
lulz, or you could have taken Tom Brady in the 6th round, but you traded your 6th round pick away for Bobby Hoying
They also made another conference championship and took the division three straight years. I'd call that a run. "In spite of" not using a first rounder on something other than a kicker. Sure, at the time I was pissed they didn't take Shaun Alexander, but what is he doing now? How many first rounders in that draft didn't pan out or are not currently in the league? I guess in the long term it didn't work out too bad. , in the short term it didn't either. So what's the problem?
you dont ever spend a first round pick on a kicker, period. unless he can boot 90 yarders accurately with ease. you think Janikowski led you to a superbowl? please. kickers are as hit and miss as they come, we got Folk in the 5th round and he is one of the best in the league.
sure it didnt work out to bad for you, but it was just a waste of a pick. what has he really done? instead you couldve taken a chance at a playmaker at a skill position.
Janikowski just makes kicks he is supposedc to make, nothing to see here
congrats on a run that nobody remembers except raiderfan.
maybe they make the superbowl in multiple years if they take a real player instead of a part time player that averages about 5 minutes of playing time per game."In spite of" not using a first rounder on something other than a kicker.
Kickers are a dime a dozen and Al basically took that pick and threw it in the garbage can.
he was MVP and in the Super Bowl.Sure, at the time I was pissed they didn't take Shaun Alexander, but what is he doing now?
The problem is that Al is a crazy old fart that has had his head up his ass for the last 20 years.How many first rounders in that draft didn't pan out or are not currently in the league? I guess in the long term it didn't work out too bad. , in the short term it didn't either. So what's the problem?
There's a focking good reason why nobody had ever drafted a kicker in the 1st round before or hasn't since then.
Why are you guys acting like Jano was recently drafted? It's been 9 years.
And that pick wasn't on Al Davis. It was Bruce Allen.
"raiderfan". A Jim Rome listener. It all makes sense now.
Sure Michael Huff and Phillip Buchanon weren't reaches. Neither was Robert Gallery who was drafted to play left tackle, but now produces as a serviceable ZBS guard. All sensible picks when they were drafted in the first round. All Busts! Looking at the bigger picture Sebastian Janikowski has been one of the more productive first round picks the Raiders have had in the last 10 years. That's the undeniable truth. Even if it is sad, it's the truth.
I kinda asked where is is he now... As in... You know, now.
Again, because all the Raiders other first round picks have been gems.Maybe if they had drafted another safety that can't tackle, an offensive lineman with short arms that plays soft and a speedy corner who couldn't cover his own ass with both hands they'd be poised to make a Super Bowl run every year. It's all because Janikowski went in the first. Or maybe the carousel of bad coaches going through there has something to do with it... Hmmmm...
They should have kept Fabian Washington. He is playing great.
The best pick of this decade for the Raiders was undoubtedly Nnamdi Asomugha. He was supposed to be a third round prospect, and everyone called it a reach, but look at him now.
No doubt. I'm glad he's sticking it out a while longer.
Fabian Washington became expendable. Al likes his corners to play man to man which doesn't play to Washington's strengths. It plays to Nnamdi's though. Chris Johnson is holding his own opposite Aso better than Routt, Washington and Hall have and comes at a fraction of the price of Washington and Hall. I'm cool with Asomugha and Johnson.
you mean other fans are never called "cowboyfan" or "spurfan"?
the only thing that makes sense is that you are an idiot.
Being productive at a position where you don't even have to shower after the game doesn't equal productivity at a real 11 player position.Sure Michael Huff and Phillip Buchanon weren't reaches. Neither was Robert Gallery who was drafted to play left tackle, but now produces as a serviceable ZBS guard. All sensible picks when they were drafted in the first round. All Busts! Looking at the bigger picture Sebastian Janikowski has been one of the more productive first round picks the Raiders have had in the last 10 years. That's the undeniable truth. Even if it is sad, it's the truth.
How stupid are you that you are trying to compare an MVP running back that plays a position that has a short life span to a 9 year average/mediocre kicker?I kinda asked where is is he now... As in... You know, now.
They'll never know what would have happened because they threw the pick away on a focking kicker.Again, because all the Raiders other first round picks have been gems.
You are an idiot, raiderfan.
Yeah, I like Johnson.
I am also happy Tyvon Branch is playing FS. I am hoping I don't have to see Huff on the field this season.
We'd probably just have another CB.
Well, those AFL jerseys are going to block the Patriots from trying to go 19-0 for the third straight year. Only because in that jersey, no team is a winner.
Look at the picks from 2000 to 2006. Out of these, the only pick that was better was the Asomugha pick.
2006 — Michael Huff, S, seventh overall: Taken ahead of quarterbacks Matt Leinart and Jay Cutler, Huff started all 16 games as a rookie, but had no sacks, interceptions or fumble recoveries.
2005 — Fabian Washington, CB, 23rd: Oakland traded the No. 7 pick in the deal for Randy Moss, but moved into the first round to get Washington, who has shown improvement each year, but did get picked on at times last season.
2004 — Robert Gallery, OT, second: Considered a can't-miss prospect, Gallery has struggled as the Raiders have shuttled him between left and right tackle and changed offensive line coaches. Oakland hopes new line coach Tom Cable can bring out the best in Gallery, something the team has yet to see.
2003 — Nnamdi Asomugha, CB, 31st: Oakland's best first-round pick in recent years, Asomugha had a breakthrough season in 2006. He was one of the top cover cornerbacks in the league last season and also had eight interceptions.
2003 — Tyler Brayton, DE, 32nd: Has just six sacks in 63 career games at both defensive end and linebacker. Perhaps best known for kneeing Seattle's Jerramy Stevens in the groin at the end of a play in a nationally televised game last season.
2002 — Phillip Buchanon, CB, 17th: A speedster expected to contribute on defense and special teams, Buchanon lasted just three seasons in Oakland before being traded to Houston.
2002 — Napoleon Harris, LB, 23rd: Started 13 games as a rookie as Oakland went to the Super Bowl, but was traded to Minnesota in 2005 for Randy Moss. Lost his starting job with the Vikings and now is in Kansas City.
2001 — Derrick Gibson, S, 28th: Has intercepted just three passes in six seasons and was replaced in the starting lineup last year by Huff. Gibson is not expected back in 2007.
2000 — Sebastian Janikowski, PK, 17th: The first kicker taken in the first round of the draft in 21 years, Janikowski has been a solid pro, but probably not worth a first-round pick. He has a strong leg, but has been inconsistent at times. Seattle took star RB Shaun Alexander two picks later.
no.....actually that was on Al Davis.
Davis might have tried to put it on Allen, but Davis micromanages them to death.
that wouldn't make me very excited, but I think all of us except for repossessed can agree it's better than taking a kicker.
It's not. I'd rather have Janikowski on this team than Buchanon.
And I think that year the Cardinals were gonna select Jano, if he was there. The Raiders were thinking of trading down, but didn't, because they were afraid of losing him to the Cards.
That's the bottom line. Blake and others won't acknowledge that though. The last post of Blake's in response to mine didn't dispute a thing, had to resort to name calling instead. Tough internet mother fukkers.
I hope you learned you're lesson about trying to reason with people who went to Tech.That's the bottom line. Blake and others won't acknowledge that though. The last post of Blake's in response to mine didn't dispute a thing, had to resort to name calling instead. Tough internet mother fukkers.
Cardinals: "hey, let's see if we can dupe the old man into taking a kicker by pretending we are high on Jano......
DAMN.... IT ACTUALLY WORKED........
next year let's pretend we are high on Tuiasopo so that we can snag Adrian Wilson at SS in the third"
I acknowledge that Jano is better than any of those guys.That's the bottom line. Blake and others won't acknowledge that though. The last post of Blake's in response to mine didn't dispute a thing, had to resort to name calling instead. Tough internet mother fukkers.
It doesn't justify wasting a 1st round pick on a kicker though. What it says is that Al Davis and the Raiders can't scout worth a crap.
I also didn't resort to name calling. I included the name calling after your weak attempt with the jim rome bit.
You are still an idiot.
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