Cuban clearly does not care about the season ticket holders.

[Brickhouse]

Yes that's because you have bench players out there as starters.

[Ghazi]

This team has a lot of the same players from a few years ago. The difference is Dirk went from MVP level play to very good play, J-Ho went from All star play to solid but black hole play, Terry went from knock down 3-PT shooter to average 3-PT shooter, we even had George hitting 35% from 3 in 06-07, and then you have Stackhouse going from serviceable bench player to completely done. Kidd this year is performing more or less at a higher level than Devin in 06-07 IMO.

Maybe our guys were just hitting their shots that year, shots that no longer fall. To go from the 5th best 3-PT shooting team to 28th in 2 years can cost a team quite a few games.


It's not as if we gave away a bunch of superstars really, I just think our guys aren't as good as they used to be and dont hit 3-Pointers and play defense like they used to.

[nsrammstein]

This team has a lot of the same players from a few years ago. The difference is Dirk went from MVP level play to very good play, J-Ho went from All star play to solid but black hole play, Terry went from knock down 3-PT shooter to average 3-PT shooter, we even had George hitting 35% from 3 in 06-07, and then you have Stackhouse going from serviceable bench player to completely done. Kidd this year is performing more or less at a higher level than Devin in 06-07 IMO.

Maybe our guys were just hitting their shots that year, shots that no longer fall. To go from the 5th best 3-PT shooting team to 28th in 2 years can cost a team quite a few games.


It's not as if we gave away a bunch of superstars really, I just think our guys aren't as good as they used to be and dont hit 3-Pointers and play defense like they used to.

Having Antoine Wright, JJ Barea on your starting lineup is just asking to be an 8th seed or asking to be a lottery team. Which players from the Mavs bench can you say is an average 3 point shooter apart from Jason Terry? Matt Carroll?

I agree Dirk is not the player he used to be 2 years ago but if we had better players and better bench players I don't think we would be talking about why he's been "declining." Dirk has been playing alot of minutes as of late and its just taking its toll on him, he's 31 years old. Thats why we need an actual bench player that can relieve dirk for stretches at a time, something the mavs do not have right now.

[monosylab1k]

See what he does with the expiring contracts of J-Ho Damp and Stack this offseason. if this team is still pretty much the same then you can

How many ing years straight are people gonna throw out the "see what they do this offseason, then if they do nothing"? Every year it's the same thing. People get sucked into believing the Mavs will do something in the offseason, they do nothing, people say "wait till next offseason and then ", rinse, repeat.

[Ghazi]

How many ing years straight are people gonna throw out the "see what they do this offseason, then if they do nothing"? Every year it's the same thing. People get sucked into believing the Mavs will do something in the offseason, they do nothing, people say "wait till next offseason and then ", rinse, repeat.

You talk as if the Mavs have been mediocre for years. It's dumb.

Why would you make drastic changes to a 60 win team team that wins the Finals if not for a few shots and whistles? (off season 2006)

Why would you trade an MVP on a 67 win team? (off season 2007)

We made the Kidd trade last year.

[monosylab1k]

You talk as if the Mavs have been mediocre for years. It's dumb.

Why would you make drastic changes to a 60 win team team that wins the Finals if not for a few shots and whistles? (off season 2006)

Why would you trade an MVP on a 67 win team? (off season 2007)

We made the Kidd trade last year.

Two straight first round exits. Nothing done in the offseason to improve the team.

The Kidd trade was mid-season.

You don't even know the history of your own team, so shut the up.

[Ghazi]

What difference does it make if the trade is in off season or mid season? You act like the Mavs FO has been sitting around for years when we made a BIG time trade last year. Just because it didn't work out doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Again, you're a pretty good arm chair GM .

[iggypop123]

its a crazy economy cuban wants to save his money especially after wasting it on dampier. what did he get 60 million?

[de Soto]

We always hear how Mark Cuban cares a lot about the season ticket holders for the Mavs games and all that but if he did REALLY care he would put out a much better product on the court than the current ty ass Maverick team out there right now.

Does this mongoloid seriously think that a team that has JJ Barea, Ryan Hollins, Gerald Green, Al Singleton as their primary bench players is going to win a championshiip? The only reason the Mavs sometimes are able to go ahead in the 1st half and then totally collapse in the 2nd half against good teams is because the good teams always play way better in the 2nd half of games and the bad teams choke.

What happenend to the Dallas mavs re academy spirit? I thought gay sex counted for something with you losers...

[nsrammstein]

What happenend to the Dallas mavs re academy spirit? I thought gay sex counted for something with you losers...

Yes you're so funny but I think I forgot to laugh, that's why your pink and I'm not you little stick...try learning some humor from another place other than the My Little Ponie forums you got.

[baseline bum]

We always hear how Mark Cuban cares a lot about the season ticket holders for the Mavs games and all that but if he did REALLY care he would put out a much better product on the court than the current ty ass Maverick team out there right now.

Does this mongoloid seriously think that a team that has JJ Barea, Ryan Hollins, Gerald Green, Al Singleton as their primary bench players is going to win a championshiip? The only reason the Mavs sometimes are able to go ahead in the 1st half and then totally collapse in the 2nd half against good teams is because the good teams always play way better in the 2nd half of games and the bad teams choke.

You guys gave up all hopes for a le with the Harris trade. Love to say I told you so.

[balli]

Does this mongoloid seriously think that a team that has JJ Barea, Ryan Hollins, Gerald Green, Al Singleton as their primary bench players is going to win a championshiip?

I doubt he does.

[Ghazi]

You guys gave up all hopes for a le with the Harris trade. Love to say I told you so.

Did you tell us Josh Howard would regress from a borderline All STar to an injury prone average player and that STackhouse would regress from a 10PPG bench scorer to completely done?

[ElNono]

Did you tell us Josh Howard would regress from a borderline All STar to an injury prone average player and that STackhouse would regress from a 10PPG bench scorer to completely done?

Nobody really needed to tell you that. JHo has been stinking up the joint since last season playoffs. And Stack made it clear early he wanted no part in this team when he requested to be traded. The real question is why didn't Donnie or Mark do something about that...
But hey, trading for Gerald Wallace would have been a lateral move...

[Ghazi]

Nobody really needed to tell you that. JHo has been stinking up the joint since last season playoffs. And Stack made it clear early he wanted no part in this team when he requested to be traded. The real question is why didn't Donnie or Mark do something about that...
But hey, trading for Gerald Wallace would have been a lateral move...

You realize a trade requires another party to agree? This isn't some sort of fantasy where any player is available for anything.

What makes you think the Bobcats would give up Wallace for Howard or ing Stack?

[ElNono]

You realize a trade requires another party to agree? This isn't some sort of fantasy where any player is available for anything.

What makes you think the Bobcats would give up Wallace for Howard or ing Stack?

Please, Wallace was on the block, otherwise we wouldn't even had mentioned it. The Bobcats eventually did the Sun trade and settled down, but don't come telling me now that you couldn't get GW before the deadline, when you not only entertained the idea of the trade, you dismissed it as not productive for the Mavs.

[Indazone]

Nuthin new here. Mavs and Cuban putting the product out on the floor they are supposed to put out there.

[Ghazi]

Please, Wallace was on the block, otherwise we wouldn't even had mentioned it. The Bobcats eventually did the Sun trade and settled down, but don't come telling me now that you couldn't get GW before the deadline, when you not only entertained the idea of the trade, you dismissed it as not productive for the Mavs.

And? If the Mavs could've gotten Wallace for Stack they wouldn't have hesitated.

Howard? Why would the Bobcats want Howard? J-Ho isn't the kind of player Larry Brown is looking for.

[de Soto]

Yes you're so funny but I think I forgot to laugh, that's why your pink and I'm not you little stick...try learning some humor from another place other than the My Little Ponie forums you got.

Why so angry and bitter???

[sribb43]

How many ing years straight are people gonna throw out the "see what they do this offseason, then if they do nothing"? Every year it's the same thing. People get sucked into believing the Mavs will do something in the offseason, they do nothing, people say "wait till next offseason and then ", rinse, repeat.

This is there best chance to make moves with the ty players they have...you wanted to move J-Ho last year or during the season? His value was so low they wouldnt get for him. You think teams wanted Damp and his bloated contract? no... What about Stack and his cartlidge free knees? no.

With all these cheap ass owners out there looking to dump contracts, this would be the perfect time to acquire someone like G-Wallace or SJax or Kaman. If the Mavs brain trust once again sits on their hands with all the valuable pieces they have this offseason then there is no way a Mavs fan can take this organiztion seriously anymore

[sribb43]

Please, Wallace was on the block, otherwise we wouldn't even had mentioned it. The Bobcats eventually did the Sun trade and settled down, but don't come telling me now that you couldn't get GW before the deadline, when you not only entertained the idea of the trade, you dismissed it as not productive for the Mavs.

So I take it that you were in on the calls between Dallas and the Bobcats and heard the Mavs turned down a Stack for Wallace deal?

[Ghazi]

I think our guys in blue WILL try to get deals done this off season

Its probably gonna be the 3rd 1st round exit in a row but not all 1st round exits are created equal.

2007 we had a 67 win team and Dirk playing at an MVP level, even J-Ho making an all star game and I felt he deserved it even if by technicality. It's not irrational to not make significant changes to such a group

2008 was only a 51 win team but had the point differential of a 56 win team. Our guys one error was banking on J-Ho to turn it around, but we did change the coach and added youth to the bench. It didn't work out, but it wasn't THAT irrational to not significantly gut the group. it's usually hard to do so without assets that were suc bed in the Kidd trade anyway (young talent, picks).

2009 though this is arguably the worst Mavs team in the last 9 years. The defense has regressed badly and Dirk doesn't shoot with as much consistency. Coaching change didn't work, adding youth to bench didn't work, J-Ho didn't turn it around. There is really no excuse left for significant changes. Furthermore the Mavs are lucky to be 43-30! 16-4 in games decided by 5 points or less? How easily could our guys be 40-33 or 39-34 right now? Very easily.

I don't think Cuban would cheat the fans like that. And we can't act like we've been cheated as fans just yet, our guys are mediocre this year but we've been blessed with a solid product for much of this decade, along with a 2006 NBA Championship.

[pauls931]

Cuban like many owners is a businessman and thanks to the current ty economy, probably has to sacrifice quality to remain profitable.

[de Soto]

Its probably gonna be the 3rd 1st round exit in a row

Indeed. For sure. How do you feel about that, Ghazi? Does it make you happy?

[Lars]

This is a team on its way down and out. They had a good run, got close a couple times but fell short. Problem is Cuban doesn't really seem like the type of person patient enough to sit through a rebuilding phase, even though this is the ideal time to break it down.

They should send Dirk to a place where he can contend, they owe him that atleast. Drop Terry and Howard for some picks and young guns and get a head start on rebuilding. Its not like they are one player away from contention here.