Lost....What is up with the "Others"?

[Blake]

The Island healed a bullet wound to Locke's heart courtesy of Ben himself. I'm sure it can do the same for an innocent Ben.

iirc, I thought the bullet didn't kill Locke because he was missing the kidney that he donated to his dad....

[JudynTX]

iirc, I thought the bullet didn't kill Locke because he was missing the kidney that he donated to his dad....

You finally caught up now?

[Blake]

Oh they aren't LOST anymore, some left the island, but then they went back.

they are lost in time now

[Blake]

You finally caught up now?

apparently I missed an episod where Penny is killed????

WTF? which episode is that?

[Blake]

Sayid kills Ben.
Sayid therefore never meets Ben and has no motivation to kill him.
Sayid therefore does not kill Ben.
Sayid therefore meets Ben and has motivation to kill Ben.
Sayid therefore kills Ben.
A and not A.

Do you not see that it is a paradox?

And before you reply, "something else could happen that could cause Sayid to kill Ben," did you ever stop to think why the writers of the show would spend years presenting a narrative which in the end never would really happen?

No, the writers have presented their "rules." They are explained through the character Daniel Faraday. In his notebook he has notes about Closed Timelike Curves and the Novikov Self-Consistency Principle. Faraday tells us "whatever happened, happened," and says that Desmond Hume somehow is "special," and the rules don't apply to him, because something happened when he turned the failsafe key.

Ben aint dead.

[Blake]

there's so much questions unanswered, i don't know how they will answer all of them with only 1 season left,; and the last season will only have 16 episodes (like this one).

Season 2 screwed everything up. I don't see how the writers tie everything up together, but I think they are doing a nice job trying.

[JudynTX]

apparently I missed an episod where Penny is killed????

WTF? which episode is that?

Huh? We don't know for sure that Ben went to kill her, it's just our predictions. But it would make sense if Ben was trying to get Desmond to go back to the island also.

[Blake]

I think Widmore and Linus are battling for control of the island. Linus is answering to someone who wants to protect the island and keep it from being used in nefarious ways. Linus himself is empty inside and just does whatever it takes. Widmore wants to use the island to increase his own wealth and power. He has used what knowledge he has already to build tremendous wealth.

The history of the island is very old. Humans have stumbled upon it and known its unique properties for a very long time. Characters in the show are wrapped up in this history not just in the 2000's or the 1970's, but from the very beginning.

Events have played out such that one party or the other wins control of the island (probably Ben's side), but the island's properties make Widmore think it is possible to change the outcome by changing the past. But, everything he does to try to change the past ends up causing the present as he knows it.

Yet someone knows, at least in theory, that under the right cir stances (something to do with electromagnetism), it is possible to decouple from this deterministic loop and change the past. This is dangerous and unpredictable, and the universe will try to course-correct to prevent paradox. But nobody knows how to make it happen. Dharma tries... but ends up causing an Incident.

Events unfold such that Desmond becomes uncoupled from determinism. He is "special." He can go back in time and change the past. This makes him both powerful and dangerous. His consciousness goes back to when he broke up with Penny, and he actually would have been able to make a different decision... and Ms. Hawking has to be there to intervene. She has to convince him to stick to the original timeline. But there is a residue, a blip -- a single photo of Desmond and Penny now appears in two places, both in Penny's and in Desmond's possession.

Desmond is able to tweak Fate... but the universe tries to course-correct. Charlie has to die, but Desmond is able to save him long enough that he completes a task he would not otherwise do -- i.e., turn off the jamming device. That puts in motion events that create something that was not supposed to happen, i.e. six survivors getting off the island. Alex was not supposed to die. Since the six are supposed to be present to act out events which happened 30 years ago, this creates a mad rush to find a way to get them back.

While the flashes were going on, Faraday gets a hold of Desmond in the hatch. He knows Desmond is special. Desmond's memory is changed, and at the appointed time he remembers. He tracks down Faraday's mother, and seemingly nothing happens, but the actions he has yet to take loom large over the final outcome.

The universe's ability to course-correct is being put to the test. All of a sudden the number 3 is becoming important. It was not one of the numbers. It's Ajira Flight 316, not 416. Originally Dharmaville was fixed up and occupied by the Others. Locke destroyed the dock when he blew up the sub. Now, when Frank and Sun go back on the outrigger, now the dock is intact, and the Processing Center is dilapidated and boarded up, with signs and banners from the Dharma days still dangling around. A recruiting photo from 1977 is still hanging, from Christian to show to Sun. I would not surprised if one episode we hear the numbers, and they are "3 8 15 16 23 42."

Ben is surprised when hears Jin survived. Ben knows a lot about how things are supposed to play out -- he has a freaking runway built for the Ajira flight three years ahead of time -- but details are changing before his eyes and he is trying to cope to make sure things don't change so that Widmore wins control of the island.

I think it's interesting that there are two people that we know that can see future events:

Desmond and Walt...

Desmond's ability seem to come from a weird scientific explosion where he lost his clothes.....
Walt's is more supernatural, and we have yet to see wtf Walt's role is in the whole thing.......which I bet will ultimately be lame.

We also have two people that can see ghosts: Miles and Hurley.

We might assume that Hurley is just crazy, but since Miles can see dead people, then we can infer that Hurley really does see dead people too.
We don't really have much on Miles' background, but my guess is that he is the son of the Dharma director that pops up in every instructional video.

what's odd is that these characters can use their abilities off the island, while Locke and that black lady (I forget her name) can apparently only heal when on the island.

I don't think Ben has the ability to heal, otherwise he would not have needed Jack to perform the brain surgery. I think Ben just gets lucky where the bullet hits him.

/rambling

[Blake]

Huh? We don't know for sure that Ben went to kill her, it's just our predictions. But it would make sense if Ben was trying to get Desmond to go back to the island also.

oh ok......

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I googled it on wikilost and although I didn't open the link, it appears in the google summary underneath that Penny will be killed this season

[Blake]

I don't get a lot of the 'Alpert is immortal' talk. It seems to be everywhere nowadays.
Especially on a show that allows traveling through time, why wouldn't the same thing be said about Sawyer, Jack, or Kate. If you saw them in the 70's looking the same age as you saw them in 2004, wouldn't you think they were immortal?

Alpert isn't doing any time traveling. Otherwise he wouldn't be in the dark about a lot of the things happening.

Also, he could be dead/ghost (ala Christian Shepherd, Claire(?)) that the island brought back to life. Or, with the god-mimicking science experiments going on the island, he could be a clone (ala the twins on the boat that took Walt).

I don't think he's a dead ghost like Christian.

I think he and Locke are both immortal when they stay on the island.

[Fpoonsie]

Alpert isn't doing any time traveling. Otherwise he wouldn't be in the dark about a lot of the things happening.



I don't think he's a dead ghost like Christian.

I think he and Locke are both immortal when they stay on the island.

Um...keep in mind that Ben has appeared to be "in the dark" NUMEROUS times about things, yet always seems to know what's goin on. If BEN can stay up on things, why couldn't Richard "Superman" Alpert?

[Blake]

Um...keep in mind that Ben has appeared to be "in the dark" NUMEROUS times about things, yet always seems to know what's goin on. If BEN can stay up on things, why couldn't Richard "Superman" Alpert?

Maybe. I get the idea that Richard doesn't really care much about anything except for finding a leader for the Others, whereas Ben has a lot on his plate in which he has to stay up on things.

We seen a young Ben that appears to be living in line with his age.

We have seen Richard as a part of groups in different decades yet he looks the same age. Sawyer and Co have been in the 70s for three years and have actually aged 3 years.

[exstatic]

I know most may have figured it out, I also just frigging realized who Ben's dad is: Uncle Rico

He's also Broots from The Pretender.

[AFBlue]

This episode...beyond f'ing awesome!

I mean, they actually discussed the various theories/rules on time travel and wove it into the show itself!

Kate describing how her reason for coming back had absolutely nothing to do with Sawyer, and Sawyer saying how he was saving Ben "for her" (meaning Juliette). Jeebus, I can't tell you how long I've waited for that whole Kate/Sawyer thing to just be done. Seems like it's well on its way.

And how about the whole Alpert/Ben thing...so good! Think he went to get his mind tweaked by the smoke?

Alright I'm done being geeked about this episode...but damn it was good.

[jaffies]

Alpert isn't doing any time traveling. Otherwise he wouldn't be in the dark about a lot of the things happening.

The 2004 Losties were in the dark about pretty much everything before they were time shifted to the 70's. Alpert had to have been in the dark at one time or another, most likely before traveling through time.

[Blake]

The 2004 Losties were in the dark about pretty much everything before they were time shifted to the 70's. Alpert had to have been in the dark at one time or another, most likely before traveling through time.

eh, maybe. there's nothing to suggest though that Alpert travels through time. By the looks of it from every time period, he appears entrenched in his position, even though his age looks the same.

[LockBeard]

ing Lost.

This episode was actually going places and then..........nothing.

Way to throw another filler episode to stretch this out another season.

[LuvBones]

Did anyone else not like what they did with Kate's character this episode? The love triangle is annoying enough, but now we find out about Aaron. She took him because she needed him to get over Sawyer?! A couple of episodes back she was super protective over Aaron, and all of a sudden she dumps him onto his grandmother and tells to her she's going back to "find Claire". Is that really her purpose.. or is it her love for Sawyer?

[AFBlue]

A couple of episodes back she was super protective over Aaron, and all of a sudden she dumps him onto his grandmother and tells to her she's going back to "find Claire". Is that really her purpose.. or is it her love for Sawyer?

Probably came back for both, but it seems Sawyer is through with her...the comment about not being a good boyfriend was strong I thought.

[Mugshot]

This episode...beyond f'ing awesome!

I mean, they actually discussed the various theories/rules on time travel and wove it into the show itself!

Kate describing how her reason for coming back had absolutely nothing to do with Sawyer, and Sawyer saying how he was saving Ben "for her" (meaning Juliette). Jeebus, I can't tell you how long I've waited for that whole Kate/Sawyer thing to just be done. Seems like it's well on its way.

And how about the whole Alpert/Ben thing...so good! Think he went to get his mind tweaked by the smoke?

Alright I'm done being geeked about this episode...but damn it was good.

Well...it was much better than the last two duds. I liked at the end when the others mentioned Ellie and Charles' names. Then Richard said that he doesn't answer to them. Next week's episode looks like it might be something special!!!

[JudynTX]

This episode...beyond f'ing awesome!

I mean, they actually discussed the various theories/rules on time travel and wove it into the show itself!

It's about time they talked about it.

Kate describing how her reason for coming back had absolutely nothing to do with Sawyer, and Sawyer saying how he was saving Ben "for her" (meaning Juliette). Jeebus, I can't tell you how long I've waited for that whole Kate/Sawyer thing to just be done. Seems like it's well on its way.

I needed a tissue when Kate said good-bye to Aaron, regardless of why or who she took care of him for, it was a touching moment. And maybe she really is going back to find Claire.

And how about the whole Alpert/Ben thing...so good! Think he went to get his mind tweaked by the smoke?

Well he did take him to the temple.

Well...it was much better than the last two duds. I liked at the end when the others mentioned Ellie and Charles' names. Then Richard said that he doesn't answer to them. Next week's episode looks like it might be something special!!!

Yep. Richard gives me the goosebumps sometimes. Such a mysterious character, love it.

[Creepn]

Who is Ellie? I dont remember that character.

[sonic21]

Damn it, someone bring Faraday so he can explain to us the time travel thing. I mean Miles did a pretty good job of it until he got stuck ... That discution looked so promising, clarified everithing we already knew and when things got interesting ... flat ... nothing ..

[JudynTX]

Who is Ellie? I dont remember that character.

The army chick with the braids, it was the Jughead episode. Ellie Hawkings? Faraday's mom when she was younger???????????????

[Mugshot]

Who is Ellie? I dont remember that character.

Ellie was the girl with the gun from the Jughead episode. Now that it is shown that she is a person of leadership, I think that it is safe to say that Ellie = Eloise Hawking.