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    What's the Word? Don Quixote's Avatar
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    I am seriously hoping that Palin gets the nomination in 2012. Please, please, please, please, nominate her...

    ---says every Democrat in the country.

    The problem with that is that the left will hate her, the right will love her, and the middle will side with the left on this because she really isn't that bright.

    Palin 2012 would be a slam dunk for the Democrats.

    Sorry. I have some respect for you, but if you think she is electable for any national office, you are letting your own opinion of her obscure the wider view of how she is perceived by the rest of the country, and especially by the swing voters who actually decide elections.
    Actually I am worried about that. And I didn't say I want her to be the nominee. But I think the large part of public perception of her was shaped by a hostile media, as well as McCain's ham-handed use of her. Face it, when she got selected, we conservatives finally got excited about the ticket and believed we could win. It's because she is smarter than you give her credit for (but blast away with the stereotypes), and she, again, believes what we believe.

    Would I prefer her to be our nominee? No. But if she is, and she attacks Obama on the taxes, and the big-govt, and everything else, then she might have a chance. But I would prefer Jindal.

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    Even if that republican is a brain dead monster? Hypothetically, let's say Palin wasn't that- brain dead or monstrous.

    But let's say the republicans nominated someone who you felt was extremely dim-witted... and sort of evi in their ignorance. Would you still vote for them, simply because you're a conservative and they were the republican nominee?
    We did. His name was McCain.

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    I'd have to say that Palin was much more evil.

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    I think you are probably right about that. A polite head-of-state nod to royalty, but that should have been it.

    Personally I don't really know what the formal protocol was, but it seems the guy at yahoo answers seemed to have it right.

    As I said, it gives the right ammunition for their "he's niave and inexperienced" narrative, and as such, it will be hyped endlessly, pointlessly.

    It was a mistake, I'm sure there will be others. We have more important things to worry about.
    I know. I just wonder if his external actions reflect a set of beliefs, or an ignorance of American tradition. I know he doesn't think the U.S., the UK, or Western democracies are anything special. We're just 1 or 2 of "190 nations." In fact, we should be ashamed of ourselves for all the trouble we've caused. That's what I get from him.

    And Thomas Jefferson would have -slapped Obama if he had seen him bowing to anyone, let alone a third-world monarch.

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    I'd have to say that Palin was much more evil.
    WE ARE INSIDIOUS! MUA HUA HUA HUA

    You're right. She's plain evil.

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    Honestly, though, I don't want liberals to like, appreciate, or understand Sarah Palin, Rush, or other important conservatives. Not as long as they are liberals.

    If they did ... then something would be wrong.

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    that's a pretty f'n stupid ass statement to post. post what you will. it's your opinion, but you're trying to scold crookshanks about her debating skills, her close-mindness, and her name calling yet you make that jackass statement. not some conservatives...not most conservatives...not conservatives from the south, but conservatives in general. i, for the most part, am fairly conservative and your asinine statement is far from the truth for me. before every meal, when i wake up and when i go to bed i pray to God for my family, friends, this country and our president. no, i didn't leave out "the assassination" between "our" and "president" in my previous sentence. sorry to dissapoint you and proving you wrong based off your jackass statement. i truly pray that he does good for us. i don't hold him on a pedestal like most people, here and abroad, do. believe me. mccain would more than likely be doing the same. sorry to reveal that shocker.
    Obviously I didn't mean ALL conservatives. It was a statement out of frustration and disgust, and merely how I feel about some people after reading continuous threads on ST. Not targeted at any one individual.
    Last edited by Cry Havoc; 04-03-2009 at 11:55 AM.

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    e^(i*pi) + 1 = 0 MannyIsGod's Avatar
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    Wow. You should have written Bagdad Bob's speeches. You would also fit in at Pravda. Good grief. No, Meester Limbaugh has no audience, peeeple is turning off thee radio, hees leeseners are surrenduring een droves.

    Very well then. I would retort that the Obama you have in your head is not the Obama of reality. First of all, I have read his approval rating down in the 50ies, still good for a Pres, but hardly the stuff of Hope and Change, let alone the One. And they're down quite a bit from the 80s he was in around Inauguration. Stock market mini-crashes and a habit of selecting tax cheats for his Cabinet have a way of doing that. And the American people are rightly su ious of the government running any segment of the economy. And did I mention this onerous budget, full of pork? Hope and Change indeed.

    (I know alot of non-liberals who voted for the guy are wondering right now -- is this what I voted for? Well, I tried to warn you!)

    Second, do you really want to go down the "drug" road with a conservative? Really? I will reply that, unlike the liberals who either flaunt their drug use or are in and out of rehab, Rush got hooked on Rx stemming from surgery. I've known guys that happened to. He owned up to it, got help, and he beat it. (Are you aware the kind words he had for Al Gore's son when he had drug problems?)

    And lastly ... I'm not elevating him to the Messiah's level. Lord No! Barack H. Obama is the greatest man ever! No one can reach that holy mountain. I do suggest however, that Rush could stand toe to toe with him in a debate, no teleprompters. And as for the values, yes, he generally has them and preaches them. Hard work, no gummint handouts. Respect for life and traditional values. A realistic view of the world -- seeing radical Islam and communism as the horrible systems they are, refusing to compromise with them. And America as the world's best hope of overcoming them.

    But hey, we Rush listeners are all knuckle-draggers. Not at all in touch with reality.
    19%. I never said he had no audience, I said it was a very small percentage of people in this country. 19% of this country is still near 50 million people. (and he's got no where near 50 million tuning in - I'm just making a point) You sure so do love the strawman argument though.

    And I said nothing about elevating him to Obama's level. I said to the level of a PRESIDENT, because I knew immediately where you would go.

    LOL @ you still railing on about communism. Please point me to the communist threat the United States (or anyone for that matter) faces. The cold war has been over for 20 years dude.

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    Honestly, though, I don't want liberals to like, appreciate, or understand Sarah Palin, Rush, or other important conservatives. Not as long as they are liberals.

    If they did ... then something would be wrong.
    Hush is an entertainer with an opinion. you probably think libs don't like him because they don't get him. Your wrong. We don't like him because he is intellectually dishonest and passes his opinion as if it was verifiable fact. What libs don't get is how his minions can claim libs have talking points and are brain dead yet not understand their own hypcocrisy. If you don't 'get it' his sheep are the one's who parrot talking points and rely on hush to give them their information..!

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    e^(i*pi) + 1 = 0 MannyIsGod's Avatar
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    I was going to rag on Don for saying Palin is electable, but then again there is not a single person on the right who is electable for president at the moment. That party is beyond complete disarray.

    The Democrats were there in the recent past, but one thing is for damn sure, Dean >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steele.

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    Actually I am worried about that. And I didn't say I want her to be the nominee. But I think the large part of public perception of her was shaped by a hostile media, as well as McCain's ham-handed use of her. Face it, when she got selected, we conservatives finally got excited about the ticket and believed we could win. It's because she is smarter than you give her credit for (but blast away with the stereotypes), and she, again, believes what we believe.

    Would I prefer her to be our nominee? No. But if she is, and she attacks Obama on the taxes, and the big-govt, and everything else, then she might have a chance. But I would prefer Jindal.
    The south won't vote for Jindal and Palin has zero shot at getting anyone who isn't already a Republican.

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    The south won't vote for Jindal and Palin has zero shot at getting anyone who isn't already a Republican.
    That may be true now; but after 4 years of Obama and his band of misfits, it might be a completely different matter.

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    Didn't they just give the Queen what she requested?

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    Didn't they just give the Queen what she requested?
    That is a good question. If it is what the woman wanted, then it is exactly what she should have gotten.

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    That is a good question. If it is what the woman wanted, then it is exactly what she should have gotten.
    Politico cited criticism of Obama's iPod gift by "etiquette expert," but WH says queen requested it

    Summary: The Politico reported that President Obama presented Queen Elizabeth II with "a personalized iPod," and noted criticism of the gift by an "etiquette expert," but did not mention that the White House reportedly said Queen Elizabeth asked for the iPod.

    In an April 1 article, the Politico reported that President Obama presented Queen Elizabeth II with "a personalized iPod," and added, "The bestowing of the Royal iPod brought a cringe from one top etiquette expert, who said it confirmed that Obama hasn't figured out presidential gift giving." But while Politico staff writer Nia-Malika Henderson noted criticism of the gift by "etiquette expert" Anna Post of the Emily Post Ins ute, Henderson did not mention that the White House reportedly said Queen Elizabeth asked for the iPod that Obama gave her.

    Indeed, while the Politico article reported that "perhaps surprisingly for folks in the U.S. the queen is no stranger to the iPod, because she already has one," it did not point out, as was reported earlier that night on Fox News' Special Report, that according to the White House, the queen requested a video iPod because she did not yet have one of that type.

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    That's not true. I just thought the iPod, loaded with his own speeches, was trite and tacky. I gave some suggestions -- perhaps a nice oil portrait of Churchill, or having a poem commissioned and read. Perhaps a tattered flag from some old battle. Those would have been nice.
    Still ignorant of what she was given, eh. One would think after being called ignorant and told there was more to the gift, you might think to find out what it might be.

    Instead, you are quite proud of your continued ignorance.

    Now she might have even asked for the iPod? Aren't you happy you got all worked up about this?

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    Can you provide an example of poor arguments and logical fallacies in a specific argument that Rush has used? Should I take it that Obama never uses ad hominems, straw men, red herrings, or appeals to authority himself? ... when the Pres was trying to sell us his massive porkulus bill, he was on the airwaves saying that Republicans didn't want to do anything. Which wasn't true, the GOP offered alternatives that (naturally, being the minority party) died in committee.

    And I'm concerned over who would score this debate. It's moot -- the Pres turned it down. But I wish the campaign had had a real debate, not these scripted charades. A debate about Cons utional philosophy, the role of govt, the nature of church-state relations, social morality, et al.
    First, Obama does use logical fallacies as well. That's why I said I'd like to see a debate with those two. I didn't say Obama would wipe the floor with him, though I do believe he'd win.

    As far as bad arguing... here's one example... http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/r...aughquotes.htm

    "This is no different than what happens at the Skull and Bones initiation...I'm talking about people having a good time, these people, you ever heard of emotional release? You ever heard of the need to blow some steam off?" --on the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse scandal

    That obviously isn't the case, and I'm sure Rush knows it, but he'll use the faulty comparison to rile up his listeners.

    Another one is this quote, "The only way to reduce the number of nuclear weapons is to use them."

    Statements like that, deliberately dumbed down for the masses, so stupid people can listen to the radio and say, "YEAH!"

    (Note: I'm not saying only stupid people listen to Rush. I am saying that the stupid people are listening to dog whistles on his show and jumping in the air. Yes, it happens with liberal shows too.)

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    This is the guy with values who would destroy Obama?

    Classic



    Do conservatives not realize how far off kilter they've gone?

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    "He is exaggerating the effects of the disease. He's moving all around and shaking and it's purely an act. ... This is really shameless of Michael J. Fox. Either he didn't take his medication or he's acting." --on an ad by Michael J. Fox endorsing Claire McCaskill for Senate for supporting embryonic stem cell research

    All you need to know about Rush Limbaugh. That is one of the meanest, most ignorant things I have ever heard on TV or talk radio.

    http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/in...videoId=222774

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    Actually, the more I think about this, the more I realize that it doesn't mean a damn thing.


    With all that's going on in the world, who really gives a ?

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    Especially since the queen apparently asked for it.

    And got another, more personal gift too boot.

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    There's an Emily Post Ins ute?

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    Actually, the more I think about this, the more I realize that it doesn't mean a damn thing.


    With all that's going on in the world, who really gives a ?
    Holy ! Darrin sees the light!

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    Actually, the more I think about this, the more I realize that it doesn't mean a damn thing.


    With all that's going on in the world, who really gives a ?
    Duh?

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    It (the gift) could have been worse, it wasn't a bad gift anyways, it could have been a gift certificate to Payless Shoes or something.

    For the record, I don't care what gifts were given or recieved. We have all these problems in the world and there are people who care what gifts were traded?

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