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    Well Timvp. You got any replies to my questions?

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    During the 1st half of the season, he had a killer jump shot.

    Now it's more like a slump shlot

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    I'm not worried about Mason..

    he's a streak shooter, so we have to get used to the good and the bad..

    the problem is that a lot of people don't see him for what he is..HE'S A SHOOTER..that's it..he can't dribble, he can't create off the dribble, doesn't create for his teammates, doesn't slash..he's a SHOOTER..

    his confidence is NOT an issue..if there's something I've learned about Roger, it's that he has a lot of balls..confidence isn't an issue for him..he doesn't pass up shots, he's shown he plays for the big moments..

    Pop just needs to adjust his role..

    Mason is best coming off screens..we need to have him coming off screens WITHOUT the ball..those are his best plays..he should handle the ball at times, but only to come off screens..his ONLY role should be to shoot off screens, or take open shots..

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    bull .

    He's become passive and scared. Pop didn't tell him to all of a sudden to freaking stop shooting.
    Bull ! He's a shooter not a damn ball handler and setup man. He's got no business playing backup PG. It's simple. Pop needs to let the guy do what he does best. Stop trying to turn him into something that he's not.

    Same with Hill. He functioned fine as Tony's primary backup. Now Pop's stripped him of his PG duties and benched him in favor of Vaughn. If Pop's not happy with Hill running the backup PG spot, Pop should've drafted Chalmers.

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    I'm not sure which game you watched but I didn't see Mason pass up many shots. The closest I can remember was when he passed to an even more open Parker in the corner.

    Mason just wasn't very involved in this game. The Pacers trapped him a couple times when he was at point guard and they were mostly rotating off of the bigs while he was out there.
    I've watched the last few.

    He's become passive and very Brent Barry on the perimiter.

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    Bull ! He's a shooter not a damn ball handler and setup man. He's got no business playing backup PG. It's simple. Pop needs to let the guy do what he does best. Stop trying to turn him into something that he's not.

    Same with Hill. He functioned fine as Tony's primary backup. Now Pop's stripped him of his PG duties and benched him in favor of Vaughn. If Pop's not happy with Hill running the backup PG spot, Pop should've drafted Chalmers.

    Amazing how Mason played that backup point fine in the begining of the year and no one ed.


    He's become passive. get a clue.

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    Amazing how Mason played that backup point fine in the begining of the year and no one ed.


    He's become passive. get a clue.
    You should get your eyes fixed. Then perhaps you'd find your own clue. You're the only one here that believes the Mason backup PG experiment has been a success.

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    Amazing how Mason played that backup point fine in the begining of the year and no one ed.


    He's become passive. get a clue.


    are u serious??


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    I have to agree with EricB on this one for once.

    The reason for Mason's struggles has more to do with the opposing teams having him scouted and trapping or hedging his pick and roll opportunities. NOT because of this " Pop is messing with his head" crap. That's a bull excuse. The guy is 28 years old not a 15 year old freshmen.

    In the beginning of the year teams would be lackadaisical defensively on the pick and rolls for Mason and they would go under the screen (giving Mason 10 feet to shoot). It's a different story now. It's not Pop. It's Mason's skill set. Hate to break it to you some of you Spur fans but Mason overachieved the first half of the year because of this very reason. When in reality he brings just as much as Finley and nothing really more. That's why I don't understand how some of you dog Finley but not Mason from time to time.

    I don't mind Mason bringing the ball up the floor. But I do mind Mason getting pick and rolls called for him because it has become a waste of 10 seconds off the shot clock, as teams have him scouted and know he can't be effective penetrating so they play the shot. If he's going to be back up pg he should just bring up the ball and let Manu be the creator with the pick and rolls.
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    Amazing how Mason played that backup point fine in the begining of the year and no one ed.

    He's become passive. get a clue.
    You sure you weren't watching Wizards games from last year?...
    Mason got the backup PG spot around the All Star break... and it's been painful ever since...

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    You sure you weren't watching Wizards games from last year?...
    Mason got the backup PG spot around the All Star break... and it's been painful ever since...
    Mason actually did well in the beginning of the year being back up pg. That is because teams didn't really have him scouted. Read my post above.

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    I should add that there's probably nothing wrong with Mason, as far as offense go. He's just a little more passive since Manu came back and took the new role of coming from the bench. It takes some time to adapt and find your role. That's why I said I wish Pop would settle on a rotation, so everyone can get on the same page.

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    Mason actually did well in the beginning of the year being back up pg. That is because teams didn't really have him scouted. Read my post above.
    I agree with your post. Teams just figured they have to make him a driver, and a little pressure can make him turn the ball over. What he did early in the year is no consolation though. Right now, teams have figured him out and the experiment of him playing PG has indeed failed.

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    I agree with your post. Teams just figured they have to make him a driver, and a little pressure can make him turn the ball over. What he did early in the year is no consolation though. Right now, teams have figured him out and the experiment of him playing PG has indeed failed.
    I hate to break it to you but pretty much a big portion of his scoring the first half of the year came from the pick and rolls. What do you define playing pg? do you define it as bringing the ball up the court? Or do you define it as being the creator and the ball handler on pick and rolls?

    The only reason I'd want Mason as back up pg is to just solely bring the ball up the floor, which would give us 3 damn good shooters on the perimeter and more spacing. The only situation I'd want Mason to bring the ball up the floor is if Manu is on the floor with him. With Manu being responsible for being the creator on all the pick and rolls called. ( this is when Parker is out). This is the only situation where I think Mason can be " back up pg". But when he's bringing the ball up, and the two other wings aren't creators, then yeah I think it's working against us having Mason as back pg because he would be responsible for being the creator. And since hes been scouted and is inferior at creating. It works to our disadvantage.
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    I have to agree with EricB on this one for once.

    The reason for Mason's struggles has more to do with the opposing teams having him scouted and trapping or hedging his pick and roll opportunities. NOT because of this " Pop is messing with his head" crap. That's a bull excuse. The guy is 28 years old not a 15 year old freshmen.

    In the beginning of the year teams would be lackadaisical defensively on the pick and rolls for Mason and they would go under the screen (giving Mason 10 feet to shoot). It's a different story now. It's not Pop. It's Mason's skill set. Hate to break it to you some of you Spur fans but Mason overachieved the first half of the year because of this very reason. When in reality he brings just as much as Finley and nothing really more. That's why I don't understand how some of you dog Finley but not Mason from time to time.

    I don't mind Mason bringing the ball up the floor. But I do mind Mason getting pick and rolls called for him because it has become a waste of 10 seconds off the shot clock, as teams have him scouted and know he can't be effective penetrating so they play the shot. If he's going to be back up pg he should just bring up the ball and let Manu be the creator with the pick and rolls.
    I've been treating Mason almost the same way as Finley since his defense was not at a very good level just before the All Star game. For me it was the dip is Roger's defense that caused me to start criticizing him then his offensive drop and poor play at back up PG. I still think Roger can turn it around this season.

    Also, I'm going to have to disagree with SenorSpur. Why do you think Pop gave him the back up PG position?????? It certainly can't be based off of his play of late, it's got to be because of how he played back up PG earlier in the year. Pop had to have based it off of that so I'd say T-Park is somewhat right.

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    I hate to break it to you but pretty much a big portion of his scoring the first half of the year came from the pick and rolls. What do you define playing pg? do you define it as bringing the ball up the court? Or do you define it as being the creator and the ball handler on pick and rolls?
    Playing PG is more than just bring the ball up court. Specially when TP sits and Manu is unavailable. We don't just play pick and roll. Sure, most of his scoring came from that early on, but once teams stopped sagging on him, the whole pick and roll thing didn't work out anymore for him.

    The only reason I'd want Mason as back up pg is to just solely bring the ball up the floor, which would give us 3 damn good shooters on the perimeter and more spacing. The only situation I'd want Mason to bring the ball up the floor is if Manu is on the floor with him. With Manu being responsible for being the creator on all the pick and rolls called. ( this is when Parker is out). This is the only situation where I think Mason can be " back up pg". But when he's bringing the ball up, and the two other wings aren't creators, then yeah I think it's working against us having Mason as back pg because he would be responsible for being the creator. And since hes been scouted and is inferior at creating. It works to our disadvantage.
    But if you have Manu on the floor with him, then let Manu play backup PG. He already has better ball handling skills and can play the role better being he's a creator also. Basically, let Mason be Mason, and Manu be Manu.

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    Also, I'm going to have to disagree with SenorSpur. Why do you think Pop gave him the back up PG position?????? It certainly can't be based off of his play of late, it's got to be because of how he played back up PG earlier in the year. Pop had to have based it off of that so I'd say T-Park is somewhat right.
    Because he played that position with the Wizards last season when Arenas went down, and he did a fairly good job then. Then again, that was the Wizards in the East. This is the Spurs in the West.

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    It's clear that the dude has lost confidence, which has most definitely affected his shooting. Still if there's no way anyone can deny that the additional backup PG duties have helped his situation. He's been getting trapped all over the court. Teams are forcing him off the arc and into doing things he doesn't do well. I just don't believe he needs any additional responsibilities, other than shooting, at this point.

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    Mason is finished. Not that it is his fault, but he is finished. At least Hedo could grab a few rebounds, but he will be an even bigger liability come playoff time.

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    it would be sad if Mason doesn't perform well in the playoffs, and Hill doesn't even get the opportunity..obviously I want both to perform well regardless of the situation, but it sucks even more knowing that we could have potentially acquired Carter for them..so Pop better use their strengths when we need them..

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    I wish we had traded for Carter.

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    he hasn't been the same since he lost the 3pt shooting contest.

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