Any atheists here?

[xtremesteven33]

Typical of human beings to think they are the most important thing in a universe consisting of things so much more vast and complex than we could ever comprehend.

haha like what aliens???

[Don Quixote]

I am not a real atheist, I do believe something, i believe there might be some sort of god, but i sure do not believe how the bible says i as a christian should believe. I dont believe the bible, nor do i believe any official church or pope. Churches are just looking after money to fill their pockets with.

The thing is, i dont know, i dont know what there is, if there is a god, what kind of god he is etc etc etc etc......WE DONT KNOW

You're right. All us church folks are just after your $$. I know, we don't really believe any of this. We just want to fool you and line our own pockets while doing it.

But seriously now, I'm actually glad that you claim no allegiance to Christianity when you don't believe the things it teaches. At least you don't know. It is far better than professed Christians who say they believe it, but don't actually care to know anything more about it, let alone actually practice it. So I admire your honesty.

Lastly, if you are really wanting to know these things, I'll throw the question back on you. What do you know, or think you know, about this god that you may or may not believe in?

[Don Quixote]

In my opinion, religion is food for the lazy and ignorant.

And what if all the religious folks in the world are wrong? What if the beliefs of the overwhelming majority of humans on this planet are completely wrong? It's happened before.

Yep. All us religious folk are lazy and ignorant. Christianity had nothing whosoever to do with ending the slave trade and abolishing slavery. It had no role in bringing down the Iron Curtain, or ending some of the ghastlier aspects of the caste system in India. It does nothing today to improve the lives of people in Bangladesh, or sub-Saharan Africa. And what were the Framers doing when they wrote the Declaration and Cons ution, using religion, etc. Those dolts! (Yes, I am aware they were not all orthodox Christians.)


And Christians never made any contribution to science. Galileo, How could they, those rubes? Copernicus, Kepler, Newton, and Mendel were all atheists. Real Christians reject science.

We're lazy, backward, and stupid. And evil. Not like the atheistic Communists. They're the ones who truly have it together! They would never dream of eugenics, or inflicting suffering on others whatsoever.

[Don Quixote]

Me too, except I go one god further than most atheists. I'm an atheist in Allah. Athiest in Buddha. Athiest in Zeus. Atheist in Jesus. Atheist in Yahweh. Atheist in the Flying Spaghetti Monster...

Hmm. Not catching your meaning. You mean to say that you go one god further than most atheists. For a true atheist, then that = 0.

I'm not an atheist. I am very much a theist. But I only believe in 1.

[PixelPusher]

[Leetonidas]

haha like what aliens???

Yes, that's exactly it.

[Booharv]

I'm an atheist. I'd rather not be but the idea of an all-powerful being is too ludicrous for me to believe. It would so awesome to believe that when I died I'd go to a perfect, joyous heaven, that I'd probably give everything I have to be able to believe that.

Incidentally how does heaven work for fat, ugly people? I mean are they just not attracted to good looking people there? Or is everyone hot in heaven? I mean if I was a fat John Candy type (but with no teeth), in heaven would I be stuck with a fat chick? If so I don't see how that's heaven. Problems like that are what makes religion so hard to believe.

[angel_luv]

I had faith in Jesus when I posted in this thread back in 05' and I have even greater faith in Jesus now.

I have been through a lot since this thread was first made.
In the past 12 months alone, I experienced the death of a longtime friend and roommate, lost a promotion (due to economy) which I had spent months interning for, and was bombarded by several other major disappointments- the details of which I won't bore you with.


Through it all, Jesus has been faithful to me and my family.
Jesus has been my peace through every storm, no matter how severe or long lasting it was.
Jesus is the only one who never fails to love me and always see me through all of my problems.

There is not a doubt in my mind that I chose correctly when I decided to accept Jesus and follow Him only.

[E20]

Debating about religon over the internet is pointless and will occasionaly result in some becoming hot headed and unneccassary insults being thrown around. Believers and non-believers both can't prove that God exists or doesn't exist. For believer's it's faith moreso than logic to believe that God exists. As Immaunel Kant said: To believe in God, you have to set aside some logic for faith. For non-believers it's empircal data to prove something exists and since you cannot measure or collect data about God then you cannot prove he does or doesn't exist.

If you believe in God, then thank God.
If you dont' believe in God, then thank God.

To each his own.

[BonnerDynasty]

I'm monotheistic, believe in natural law, karma, and reincarnation of the soul. I do not believe in any of these religions because I have studied enough history of civilizations to see how every one of them creates their own stories to use as a religious foundation.

I really dislike these new-aged atheist i'm-so-intellectual-i-am-above-you-all assholes though. Seth McFarlane for example, thinks it is very narcissistic to believe one has a purpose in this life. I am very put off by people like that.

I honestly believe, rather real or not, religion and spirituality taps into a part of the brain/mind that gives people amazing strength and for ude. I have seen it first hand in others around me. It is amazing to see unbreakable men and women.

[MiamiHeat]

Don Quixote has a twisted and misinformed view of world history. Christianity BEGAN the slave trade in certain parts of the world. Columbus and his priests justified slavery and genocide in the Americas with passages from the Bible.

In the USA, the South was 99% Christian. All slave plantation owners went to Church on Sundays. It was the North, led by an atheist President Lincoln who called all religious people 'fools', that set forth to unify the nation and end slavery.

[MiamiHeat]

Debating about religon over the internet is pointless .

No, it is not pointless. You show a lack of social skills and complete failure to participate in a civil discussion, internet or otherwise. It can be argued, that since we have more time to type a post on the internet, our arguments can be much more detailed than in a spur of the moment situation in real life.

If you are whining and ing about trolls and other people who ruin internet discussion, then you can ignore them.

Your way of blanketing, generalizing all discussion on the internet as pointless is ridiculous.

[E20]

No, it is not pointless. You show a lack of social skills and complete failure to participate in a civil discussion, internet or otherwise. It can be argued, that since we have more time to type a post on the internet, our arguments can be much more detailed than in a spur of the moment situation in real life.

If you are whining and ing about trolls and other people who ruin internet discussion, then you can ignore them.

Your way of blanketing, generalizing all discussion on the internet as pointless is ridiculous.

LOL coming from a troll.

Tell me this, from this discussion what will be found out, what arguement will change another's viewpoint and what will be attained overall besides killing time?

[baseline bum]

Hmm. Not catching your meaning. You mean to say that you go one god further than most atheists. For a true atheist, then that = 0.

I'm not an atheist. I am very much a theist. But I only believe in 1.

No one believes in the ridiculous gods like Zeus or Ra anymore. I go one ridiculous god farther.

[MiamiHeat]

LOL coming from a troll.

Tell me this, from this discussion what will be found out, what arguement will change another's viewpoint and what will be attained overall besides killing time?

Strawman. You are not addressing the issue.

You said arguing over the internet is pointless. I responded to that.

Now you are questioning the point of arguing in the first place which is not the same.

You didn't say "Arguing about religion is pointless"

You said "Arguing about religion over the net is pointless" as if the internet was not a good place to do it. Many would argue the internet is a great place to do it.

[Winehole23]

Instead of abstaining from the wager, overbid. Cheeky, baselinebum.

[E20]

Strawman. You are not addressing the issue.

You said arguing over the internet is pointless. I responded to that.

Now you are questioning the point of arguing in the first place which is not the same.

You didn't say "Arguing about religion is pointless"

You said "Arguing about religion over the net is pointless" as if the internet was not a good place to do it. Many would argue the internet is a great place to do it.

I was hoping you could infer from my question that I was asking about this specifc discussion at hand.

So let me rephrase my orginal question: From this internet discussion about religon what will be found out, what arguement will change another's viewpoint and what will be attained overall besides killing time and besides what is already known?

[MiamiHeat]

Ok, so what you meant to say is "Arguing about religion is pointless"

in which case, when it comes to the majority of the population, I agree with you.

No matter how many facts or evidence you show someone, only those with intelligent and open minds will change. The rest will deny all evidence and just rely on blind faith in God as their only argument.

"You just have to believe"

I could say the same thing about the Flying Spaghetti Monster. That's the definition of a crazy person, a lunatic, but our society has to respect religion - no matter how illogical and ridiculous it is. Bronze age religions

[Winehole23]

but our society has to respect religion - no matter how illogical and ridiculous it is

Pretty much. Otherwise, religious freedom is arbitrary.

[xtremesteven33]

No, it is not pointless. You show a lack of social skills and complete failure to participate in a civil discussion, internet or otherwise. It can be argued, that since we have more time to type a post on the internet, our arguments can be much more detailed than in a spur of the moment situation in real life.

If you are whining and ing about trolls and other people who ruin internet discussion, then you can ignore them.

Your way of blanketing, generalizing all discussion on the internet as pointless is ridiculous.

By many people view points discussing religion in person is pointless....so discussing religion over the internet is just even more pointless.....If you wanna talk religion PM me and we could talk over the phone or in person....otherwise many people dont have time to sit at a CPU and debate back and forth for hours....

[Bukefal]

To each his own.

Thats true! to each his own. Of course, i dont mind anyone who is religious, everyone is free to believe what he or she wants to believe. As i said, im religious too, but on my own way.

[I Love Me Some Me]

If you are certain, certain that faith
Is just a know-nothing mask
Why do you still ask?

[sook]

I have never seen an atheist answer this question, and i am an extremely scientific person, mind you. I believe evolution is a law, even though it is listed as a theory. If you were to visit "Supposedly" uncharted territory that others claim you are the first to have visited with a lake, a river bank or w.e, and you find a well crafted watch, what would come to your mind? Was that watch assembled through nature by chance? You would have a hard time being convinced that. What at first sight appears to be an intricately crafted accessory in reality stands next to nowhere in complexity when put next to the Human Body. Words can't describe the miracles of it coming into existence. When you put it that way, you really don't have a hard time in believing in a transcendent being that has put us all into this set.

[MiamiHeat]

I have never seen an atheist answer this question, and i am an extremely scientific person, mind you. I believe evolution is a law, even though it is listed as a theory. If you were to visit "Supposedly" uncharted territory that others claim you are the first to have visited with a lake, a river bank or w.e, and you find a well crafted watch, what would come to your mind? Was that watch assembled through nature by chance? You would have a hard time being convinced that. What at first sight appears to be an intricately crafted accessory in reality stands next to nowhere in complexity when put next to the Human Body. Words can't describe the miracles of it coming into existence. When you put it that way, you really don't have a hard time in believing in a transcendent being that has put us all into this set.

a watch is a non-'living' object. there is absolutely no way that an intricate watch can be constructed without someone making it simply because the watch is made out of inanimate objects, that is to say, made out of materials that are not 'alive'

THEORETICALLY, if given the right conditions and need, life could evolve a creature to look like a watch.

living creatures have a chance to create anything if given enough time. we could have a 20 foot tall, 6 legged, 3 eyed, super horse that has wings, if the right conditions allowed nature to need such a creature.

you show a lack of understanding in basic science. Do you realize 99% of all scientists are not religious? They don't seem to think 'it's easy' to believe in a boogie man in the sky.

[baseline bum]

I have never seen an atheist answer this question, and i am an extremely scientific person, mind you. I believe evolution is a law, even though it is listed as a theory. If you were to visit "Supposedly" uncharted territory that others claim you are the first to have visited with a lake, a river bank or w.e, and you find a well crafted watch, what would come to your mind? Was that watch assembled through nature by chance? You would have a hard time being convinced that. What at first sight appears to be an intricately crafted accessory in reality stands next to nowhere in complexity when put next to the Human Body. Words can't describe the miracles of it coming into existence. When you put it that way, you really don't have a hard time in believing in a transcendent being that has put us all into this set.

So you are calling natural selection a game of dice?