Beat this FLOP!

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If you don't think Manu flopped on that play with Bonzi, your opinion means nothing here.

Mono took issue with the fact that I said Manu got hit in the chin, even though he clearly did. Seriously, if that's the best example people can come up with then maybe Manu wasn't as big a flopper as we remember.

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Having contact on a flop doesn't preclude a player from flopping. Manu flopped. There was contact, but there was contact with Chris Paul's flop as well.

Wade fell down for no reason. That's why it was a flop. He was faking the contact.

I'm not sure I agree with you about either play, and if we're talking about all time worst flops, neither even comes close, but let's shelf that for the moment.

You seem to have two separate definitions, so I'm curious: In your opinion, is a flop falling down to call attention to legitimate contact that should be called, or is it pretending there was contact and falling down hoping the officials reflexively blow the whistle and bail you out?

I remember Jacque Vaughn trying to draw a charge in the '07 finals where he anticipated the contact and actually fell down without anyone touching him. That's what I define as a flop. If you say that it's a flop as soon as someone falls that could have kept their balance, then all but the worst drawn charges in the NBA are flops because all the defender has to do is move his feet.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

You seem to have two separate definitions, so I'm curious: In your opinion, is a flop falling down to call attention to legitimate contact that should be called, or is it pretending there was contact and falling down hoping the officials reflexively blow the whistle and bail you out?

I remember Jacque Vaughn trying to draw a charge in the '07 finals where he anticipated the contact and actually fell down without anyone touching him. That's what I define as a flop. If you say that it's a flop as soon as someone falls that could have kept their balance, then all but the worst drawn charges in the NBA are flops because all the defender has to do is move his feet.

Here's an example of what you're talking about.

[DeadlyDynasty]

OMFG!! This is just so funny

the guy has insane talent yet he feels the need to play like a . Hopefully Trevor Ariza will show him what a real foul is

[JamStone]

I'm not sure I agree with you about either play, and if we're talking about all time worst flops, neither even comes close, but let's shelf that for the moment.

You seem to have two separate definitions, so I'm curious: In your opinion, is a flop falling down to call attention to legitimate contact that should be called, or is it pretending there was contact and falling down hoping the officials reflexively blow the whistle and bail you out?

I remember Jacque Vaughn trying to draw a charge in the '07 finals where he anticipated the contact and actually fell down without anyone touching him. That's what I define as a flop. If you say that it's a flop as soon as someone falls that could have kept their balance, then all but the worst drawn charges in the NBA are flops because all the defender has to do is move his feet.

I believe there are different types and different degrees of flops. Exaggerating contact that is already there is flopping. And, pretending that there's contact that isn't there is also flopping. I think both are types of flopping. And, yes, the vast majority of attempted charge calls are flops. To me, it's not so much about the contact but the theatrics involved that make the flop. Over-dramatics is what really does it for me. That's the case in all the flops in this thread.

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I believe there are different types and different degrees of flops. Exaggerating contact that is already there is flopping. And, pretending that there's contact that isn't there is also flopping. I think both are types of flopping. And, yes, the vast majority of attempted charge calls are flops. To me, it's not so much about the contact but the theatrics involved that make the flop. Over-dramatics is what really does it for me. That's the case in all the flops in this thread.

Fair enough. If the NBA is going to start fining guys should they be making judgment calls on whether or not someone "exaggerated" contact, or are they going to just go after the "I got hit by a sniper" flailers (of which I freely admit Manu was a member for the first half of his career)?

[lurker]

lol, looks like Tim said "...what the ?" after CP fell into his arms like a damsel in distress.

[RedsLakers24]

Duncan gets no respect,, he is one the Greatest players to played the game and they are giving him a foul on a CP3 flop, WOW

[Manufan909]

Having contact on a flop doesn't preclude a player from flopping. Manu flopped. There was contact, but there was contact with Chris Paul's flop as well.

Wade fell down for no reason. That's why it was a flop. He was faking the contact.

Indeed. And poor IM, no one reads your anymore, they just scroll down on your signature.

[JamStone]

Fair enough. If the NBA is going to start fining guys should they be making judgment calls on whether or not someone "exaggerated" contact, or are they going to just go after the "I got hit by a sniper" flailers (of which I freely admit Manu was a member for the first half of his career)?

I don't know. I'm not necessarily in favor of fining at all, except for egregious repeat offenders. I'd be just as content if the officials just did a better job of identifying flops. I realize it's not always an easy thing to do, but there are a lot of difficult things that NBA officials have to identify during a game. If the officials simply stop calling flops fouls, the players will stop doing it as much.

[Biggems]

remember a few years ago when Manu was in the lane around the FT line....I cant remember on offense or defense.....but no one was withing 2-3 ft of him and he just threw himself to the floor....I believe he got the call to.

does anyone have video of that one.

[monosylab1k]

Mono took issue with the fact that I said Manu got hit in the chin, even though he clearly did.

No I didn't. I took issue with the fact that you said it WASN'T a flop BECAUSE he got hit in the chin.

[JamStone]

remember a few years ago when Manu was in the lane around the FT line....I cant remember on offense or defense.....but no one was withing 2-3 ft of him and he just threw himself to the floor....I believe he got the call to.

does anyone have video of that one.

I may have been thinking of the same thing, but I couldn't find it on youtube. I believe it was a playoff game. And, someone got the rebound. Manu was standing a couple feet away. The rebounder swung his body a little bit (not swinging elbows, his entire body) and Manu dropped to the floor. May or may not be the play you were thinking of, but if it was, I tried looking for it but couldn't find it.

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No I didn't. I took issue with the fact that you said it WASN'T a flop BECAUSE he got hit in the chin.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...0&postcount=45

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I don't know. I'm not necessarily in favor of fining at all, except for egregious repeat offenders. I'd be just as content if the officials just did a better job of identifying flops. I realize it's not always an easy thing to do, but there are a lot of difficult things that NBA officials have to identify during a game. If the officials simply stop calling flops fouls, the players will stop doing it as much.

I couldn't agree more with the parts in bold. I think this is the reason some of the more pathetic attempts at flopping in previous years by guys like Manu and Devin Harris have diminished.

[JamStone]

Manu definitely got hit in the face. I don't agree it's a foul though. Bonzi stopped in the lane, which he has a right to. He lifted his arms straight up, which he has a right to. Manu was chasing him so hard that he ran into Bonzi when Bonzi stopped. I think that's a no call. Definitely contact. I disagree that it's a foul.

[spursfan1000]

Yeah CP3 is a flopper, surprised because he is young, usually older players flop.

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Drew Gooden had the flop of the day against Boobie Gibson. That one made me laugh out loud.