Tank 2008-09

[rascal]

And you're the guy who still pines for Stephen Jackson and now currently plays with himself while staring at Roger Mason's photo in the Spurs yearbook.

Yeah, I'd like to bring in another "baller" rather than the old 6'10 white stiff of the day.

Do you San Antonioans realize we elected a Black president?

Most Texans wanted the old white stiff for president.

[SequSpur]

authority?

Dude, Gw is right on this time. Answer the F in! Question.

[benefactor]

bump

[ManuTP9]

[rascal]

Bump. I would not call it a thread fail just yet. The spurs were making the playoffs anyways so tanking the season was not an option but the premise that tanking is about the only way the Spurs would get a top young player is right on. The spurs do not make trades for top impact players and top free agents have no interest in coming to San Antonio.

Making the playoffs and getting knocked out by the Lakers is not a successful season for a team with a 4 or 5 year window.

[hater]

In retrospect, what a stupid thread

[Nathan Explosion]

"The spurs do not make trades for top impact players"

The Spurs don't have the assests outside of Duncan, Parker and Gino to make that type of trade.

People talk about getting younger with the draft, and then wanted to throw George Hill in every trade the first chance they got.

So, which is it? Get a top tier player in a trade or get a good young player in the draft.

And your rebuilding strategy sounds exactly like the Mexican retirement plan, Win the Lotto.

And yes, I'm of Mexican descent so stop the "racist" barbs before they start. It's called a joke.

[rascal]

"The spurs do not make trades for top impact players"

The Spurs don't have the assests outside of Duncan, Parker and Gino to make that type of trade.

People talk about getting younger with the draft, and then wanted to throw George Hill in every trade the first chance they got.

So, which is it? Get a top tier player in a trade or get a good young player in the draft.

And your rebuilding strategy sounds exactly like the Mexican retirement plan, Win the Lotto.

And yes, I'm of Mexican descent so stop the "racist" barbs before they start. It's called a joke.

Winning the lottery is the only way the spurs will get a franchise type of player or a top young player for that matter since they cannot make trades.

And whose fault is it that the spurs never seem to have any tradeable assets?

[Bartleby]

Winning the lottery is the only way the spurs will get a franchise type of player or a top young player for that matter since they cannot make trades.

And whose fault is it that the spurs never seem to have any tradeable assets?

The Spurs will have plenty of chances to win the lottery after TD retires. Until then they should focus on winning it all every year with the franchise players they have. Tanking when you have a legitimate chance to do that is idiotic.

[Nathan Explosion]

And whose fault is it that the spurs never seem to have any tradeable assets?

Tim Duncan, Tony Parker and Manu Ginobilli's fault. You see, when you have good talent like that, you kind of have to pay to keep those players. And since the Spurs don't have a billionaire owner who has nothing to do but throw money away, the FO has to be frugal with their dealings.

Therefore, you keep the Big 3, build around them with role players and go out and win les (4 to be exact). Then you try to rebuild through the draft and free agency knowing that unless you're willing to part with Duncan, Parker and Gino, you can't sign a top tier free agent.

What I want to know is, why should I listen to a fan on a message board and not trust Pop and RC when Pop and RC have a formula that is copied by almost everyone in the league?

[Spursfan092120]

Kinda weird. It seems like the fans would rather have crappy players so they can get tradeable assets. I thought this business was about winning..hmm..maybe I need to look into it a little more.

[Josepatches_]

We need a franchise player for the future when TD retires,maybe before his retirement if he still playing 4 or 5 more years.We will have to trade Manu and TP if we want to win the NBA in the future or we can't get a superstar like TD.Do it or we will not have any chance to win.

We are a tle contender this year becasue TD is one of the best players of the league yet but he's going to be worse every year and the team is going to be worse with him.We only have 2 or 3 years before to begin the reconstruction of the team.

Even if we see that we aren't strong enough to beat the Lakers in the next playoffs maybe next year could be the time to look for the future

[Nathan Explosion]

We need a franchise player for the future when TD retires,maybe before his retirement if he still playing 4 or 5 more years.We will have to trade Manu and TP if we want to win the NBA in the future or we can't get a superstar like TD.Do it or we will not have any chance to win.

We are a tle contender this year becasue TD is one of the best players of the league yet but he's going to be worse every year and the team is going to be worse with him.We only have 2 or 3 years before to begin the reconstruction of the team.

Even if we see that we aren't strong enough to beat the Lakers in the next playoffs maybe next year could be the time to look for the future

Show me any evidence that Duncan is slowing down. Any. In fact, look at Duncan's stats for every season he's been in the league, and they're almost identical with one exception, Duncan's minutes are down while his production is about the same.

And name me one player in college that can be a franchise player in the mold of David Robinson or Tim Duncan.

The biggest flaw in your logic is assuming that even if the Spurs do win the lottery, there will be a player in the mold of Duncan waiting for them. It took 10 years at least for Duncan to come after Robinson. You think all time greatest just show up every year on command?

Extreme luck got the Spurs their big men. Front office smarts built a contender around them and kept it that way for a long time. Now you want to throw that hard work away in favor of trying to go 3 for 3 in the luck department?

Again, smart drafting beats relying on the lottery any day. Look at the Clippers. In the lottery every year and nothing to show for it.

[TampaDude]

Manu's out until December-ish.

The top teams in the West are a year more experienced, healthier and/or added a new impact player. (Don't make me go into the specifics again.)

The Spurs obviously can't or are unwilling to bring in an impact player. The team is very old and some would argue, ineffective.




Fvck it. Let's tank!



Look at the Spurs' track record in seasons where they really sucked... it netted us not one, but two #1 all-franchise lottery picks.

Again, not your run-of-the-mill #1s.... we are talking about MVP-caliber centers that you can build a team around for a decade!



So I say pack it in early this year. Even with the Big 3 at 100%, I don't see the Spurs getting past the Jazz or Rockets and certainly not the Lakers or Hornets this year.


Tank now. Hope for another #1. Come back next year with the Big Three at full strength in Duncan's latter part of his career. Give it another try with a lottery pick in the starting lineup.



It will be beautiful. Do it now instead of pathetically dragging out 3-5 more painful playoff appearances.


Tank and begin the next era, while still winning.




It's time to start thinking about a succession strategy here. The lottery is how the Spurs get good.

I can't wait to quote this one again after the Spurs win #5 this year.

[rascal]

Bump to keep this alive.
Wow last post in this was on Feb 23 and its already on the 22nd and last page.

[Marcus Bryant]

Why would Ghost want to tank a season in which Pop took Bowen out of the starting lineup?

Question.

[Spursfan092120]

Bump to keep this alive.
Wow last post in this was on Feb 23 and its already on the 22nd and last page.

Believe me..people have it bookmarked..it'll be alive.

[traitoravery]

bump

[Cant_Be_Faded]

We shoulda tanked.

[Hemotivo]

[rascal]

I'd rather the spurs have a lottery pick this yr to fortify their chances next year than get spanked by the Lakers again or get beat by the Hornets who will be tougher this year than last with the added year of playoff experience they got last year.

[HarlemHeat37]

lottery picks are overrated as ..

[rascal]

lottery picks are overrated as ..

Duncan was a lottery pick.

[benefactor]

I'd rather the spurs have a lottery pick this yr to fortify their chances next year than get spanked by the Lakers again or get beat by the Hornets who will be tougher this year than last with the added year of playoff experience they got last year.

Names of impact players in this years draft that will fortify our chances?

[benefactor]

Re-signing Drew Gooden or signing Rasheed Wallace would make more of an impact than any lottery pick will next season.