Hornets/Jazz

[Pelicans78]

Say what you want but in the other great matchups Lebron vs. Wade vs. Kobe etc. Duncan vs. Dirk vs. KG rarely has one players's team has so thoroughly dominated the others ...CP# is great and he MAY be the best PG in the NBA but those that sat D-Will is NOT in that argument or that he is not close are FOOLISH I STILL would rather have DWill for my team he is more complete and can play pnr triangle uptemp half-cout sets ...bigger stronger better all around defender ...I think he is better period.

It's just not true. D-Will is great enough not to let CP3 totally outplay him allowing the rest of his teammates to abuse CP3's teammates which happened tonight. Most teams don't have a PG to matchup with CP3 so it gives the Hornets a huge advantage. Against the Jazz it doesn't happen so the rest of the Hornets have to step up and they never do against the Jazz. Plus, the Jazz got alot of points in the paint tonight which shows how much we miss Chandler defensively. Guys like Armstrong and Marks can't replace what Chandler does in the paint.

[Ghazi]

Chandler played in the first meeting when the Jazz won by 26 points.

West/Chandler wouldn't even see minutes on the Jazz. Okur/Millsap/Boozer are better than them.

And then theres Peja/Butler/Wright ... would not see minutes over Korver/Miles/Brewer

[balli]

lol sons.

[Ghazi]

I forgot Kirilenko too

D Will, Kirilenko, Okur, Millsap, Boozer, Miles, Brewer

D West, teh hornets 2nd best player, would be the 8th best player on the Jazz.

[crc21209]

Wow the Jazz just spanked the Hornets at their own house.

[Pelicans78]

Chandler played in the first meeting when the Jazz won by 26 points.

West/Chandler wouldn't even see minutes on the Jazz. Okur/Millsap/Boozer are better than them.

And then theres Peja/Butler/Wright ... would not see minutes over Korver/Miles/Brewer

That 1st game was the second night of a back-to-back with the Hornets winning an emotional game at the Lakers. The game against Utah didn't matter that much.

Anyway Ghazi, your argument supports my theory that the Jazz have a much better team than Hornets yet last seaon only finished 5th in the West and this season still have a worse record. I wonder why?

[Ghazi]

Hornets are just luckier in the close games. Hornets should be 45-31 right now.

[Pelicans78]

Hornets are just luckier in the close games. Hornets should be 45-31 right now.

Well if we had Janero "mutha in" Pargo, those close games would be blowouts so your argument fails

[Matchman]

and people still have the audacity to say that CP3 is better than DWill
its not about the numbers. its how well DWill control the game and stay calm at times when his team is down. its leadership and CP3 failed everytime his team needs his leadership.

[sook]

and people still have the audacity to say that CP3 is better than DWill
its not about the numbers. its how well DWill control the game and stay calm at times when his team is down. its leadership and CP3 failed everytime his team needs his leadership.

DUDE. LMFAO. CP3 is as pure of a PG as you can get. Just compare the teams. You are severely underrating the Jazz's bench. They are notorious to swinging the whole momentum of the game

[Matchman]

DUDE. LMFAO. CP3 is as pure of a PG as you can get. Just compare the teams. You are severely underrating the Jazz's bench. They are notorious to swinging the whole momentum of the game

im not comparing their talent level or numbers, im comparing their maturity level and leadership and CP3 is no where close to DWill in that department

[Pelicans78]

and people still have the audacity to say that CP3 is better than DWill
its not about the numbers. its how well DWill control the game and stay calm at times when his team is down. its leadership and CP3 failed everytime his team needs his leadership.

Really? Are you kidding me? This is totally subjective and you know it. Seriously, if D-Will was any more calm, his team would do much better on the road. You don't have any facts to back up this argument. You're just a hater.

[Matchman]

Really? Are you kidding me? This is totally subjective and you know it. Seriously, if D-Will was any more calm, his team would do much better on the road. You don't have any facts to back up this argument. You're just a hater.

why would i hate some player who got owned by the rockets most of the time? if im a hater i would be hating on DWill cuz the holez owned us everytime

[Pelicans78]

why would i hate some player who got owned by the rockets most of the time? if im a hater i would be hating on DWill cuz the holez owned us everytime

Hornets were 3-1 against the Rockets 2 years, 2-2 last season. Jazz are 2-2 this season.

Besides, you don't have any evidence backing your statement.

[Indazone]

ok, I can clearly see that in addition to the Rockets not wanting to see any part of the Jazz, we can now definately include the Hornets in that group.

[sook]

Hornets were 3-1 against the Rockets 2 years, 2-2 last season. Jazz are 2-2 this season.

Besides, you don't have any evidence backing your statement.

No he is a CP3 hater. I understand that CP3 flops alot matchman but the dude is raw and undeniable talent. He is might end his career being the greatest PG to ever play the game..who knows.

But i can tell you he is eons better than Dwill

[The TroutBum]

Sons, what a butt ing this was.

lol @ C-Pee-3, ass trick.

[The TroutBum]

No he is a CP3 hater. I understand that CP3 flops alot matchman but the dude is raw and undeniable talent. He is might end his career being the greatest PG to ever play the game..who knows.

But i can tell you he is eons better than Dwill

Eons better than Dwill?

Credibility gone.

As if you had a drop to begin with.

ing Rocket .

[The Franchise]

Eons better than Dwill?

Credibility gone.

As if you had a drop to begin with.

ing Rocket .

Were they to switch teams your squad would be much better than it is now. I can't say the same for the Hornets.

[Killakobe81]

My original point said ...
1. CP3 is MAY be the best PG he has the numbers etc.
2. BUT he gets beaten almost EVERY time he matches up with DWill head2head
3. To use another sport analogy Federer is a better player numbers wise than Nadal but head 2 head he OWNS Roger true that is a single sport vs a team sport BUT regardless how can it be a no doubt Cp3 is better when he cant beat or even outplay the consensus #2? it doesnt add up.
4. Wade has a weaker team than Kobe or Lebron but YET he holds his own vs those guys ...So the jazz are better argument is weak ...

[The Franchise]

My original point said ...
1. CP3 is MAY be the best PG he has the numbers etc.
2. BUT he gets beaten almost EVERY time he matches up with DWill head2head
3. To use another sport analogy Federer is a better player numbers wise than Nadal but head 2 head he OWNS Roger true that is a single sport vs a team sport BUT regardless how can it be a no doubt Cp3 is better when he cant beat or even outplay the consensus #2? it doesnt add up.
4. Wade has a weaker team than Kobe or Lebron but YET he holds his own vs those guys ...So the jazz are better argument is weak ...

A big part of that is because of the advantage in talent around Williams. A lot more pressure is on Paul because of that. When you stop Chris Paul you stop the Hornets. When you stop Williams he passes it oto Boozer, Millsap, Okur, Harpring, etc..... It's like racing a Camaro against a Lamborghini. Sure you'll be in it for about 3 saeconds but we all know the outcome.

[Killakobe81]

A big part of that is because of the advantage in talent around Williams. A lot more pressure is on Paul because of that. When you stop Chris Paul you stop the Hornets. When you stop Williams he passes it oto Boozer, Millsap, Okur, Harpring, etc..... It's like racing a Camaro against a Lamborghini. Sure you'll be in it for about 3 saeconds but we all know the outcome.

All im saying is head 2 head as Pg's he needs to outplay Dwill to be considered the best PG in my book ...Boozer and Kirilenko were out most of the year yet he he still gets beat by Dwill ...

[Pelicans78]

All im saying is head 2 head as Pg's he needs to outplay Dwill to be considered the best PG in my book ...Boozer and Kirilenko were out most of the year yet he he still gets beat by Dwill ...

Kirilenko has played every game this year against the Hornets. Boozer missed the first two in Utah, but the Hornets just played the Lakers the night before each time so obviously they were tired and not getting up for those games. Plus, Chandler is a difference maker on defense as well. Every game this season has been even with the stats so its not like D-Will is outplaying him. Obviously Fisher is a better PG than Paul since the Lakers beat the Hornets routinely

[Killakobe81]

Look I understand how you feel the way you do ... I used to argue that way Kobe over Lebron ...
Now I dont care Kobe won head 2 head and hopefully wins le let everyone suck him off and give him the MVP I want rings ...
My main point was that Cp3 is NOT CLEARLY better like most people say outside of Utah ...and for MY team I would trather have dWILL of course id take CP3 over Fish and Farmar combined ...Id take cp3 over Chauncey, nash, Parker (but i dont think that he is wayyy better than tony) and Drose ...
bUt Dwill is better to me ...