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    As this point in their careers I would go with SJax and actually by a bit. Dont get me wrong manu is prob my fav spur and I appreciate all he's done, but his prime is passed. His injuries have been a result of so much play over the years internationally as well as long runs into the playoffs and lets be honest he isn't all that young anymore. SJax on the other hand is physical presence-if you've watched lakers/gstate games he gives kobe some tough D (if thats possible) because of his size and quickness-he's smart-relatively injury free-and I don't think his at ude is anywhere near the problem it was a few years ago. And I think in the right situation he can have a good at ude like when in SA.
    If Jackson were playing here under Pop and Manu in Golden State under Don Nelson, you wouldn't be saying the same thing. Manu would be averaging something like 25 pts, 7 assts, 7 rbds under Nelson.
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    If Jack had stayed in San Antonio, Pop would have tried to make him the backup point guard and ed his confidence, ground him down benching by benching for missed rotations by other players, and traded him plus a draft pick for nothing in the offseason a couple of years ago.

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    If Jackson were playing here under Pop and Manu in Golden State under Don Nelson, you wouldn't be saying the same thing. Manu would be averaging something like 25 pts, 7 assts, 7 rbds under Nelson.
    You don't realize what you have until you lose it.
    ^^^Im not going by stats because that completely subjective....If you plug him in here, he'll do this and so on. Who knows how their stats would look. Im judging purely on their play. Again Im not saying id take sjax over manu over their careers cuz I wouldn't....but now considering injuries/age, and play yea Id take Jax.

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    Jax:
    - Plays 13 more mpg than Manu
    - Has a worse FG% (2 and 3 pointers)
    - Has twice as many turnovers
    - Is on the hook for the next 4 years for $34m

    Plus, he's the 'superstar' in Golden State, which means he gets the lion share of ball possession to do as he pleases, unlike Manu. I also dispute the notion he has bigger balls or is more clutch...

    I actually love Jax, and I always root for his team whenever I catch some game he's on. Talent-wise I think both Manu and Jax are fairly even. Now, psychologically this is not even close. Would you EVER imagine Manu going to the stands to pick up a fight with some fan?
    You should lose your Argie nationality over that statement. Jackson can't drible the ball without looking at the floor 'cause he would drible the ball out off his foot if he wouldn't (I don't know if that sentence made sense). Plus he's slow as and my grandma can jump higher than him. Let's face it Jackson is role player playing with the responsibilities of a star.

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    ^^^Im not going by stats because that completely subjective....If you plug him in here, he'll do this and so on. Who knows how their stats would look. Im judging purely on their play. Again Im not saying id take sjax over manu over their careers cuz I wouldn't....but now considering injuries/age, and play yea Id take Jax.

    ps nice sig bro
    Do you know that S-Jax is about the same age as Manu and right now is injured? Again I don't think many people here know how bad this season was for Jackson.

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    Manu is too weak to play as many minutes as Captain Jack. FACT!

    Manu has a FG% of ZERO in the 13 minutes HE CAN'T PLAY. FACT!

    Because he plays point guard and Manu would turn the ball over even more as a point guard. FACT!

    Manu will cost even more over 4 years. FACT!

    The Warriors have many more scoring opsions than the Spurs. Fact!

    Captain Jack was clutcher and had bigger balls in his one season here than Manu has in his whole career. FACT!

    Accept Captain Jack can play 13 more minutes. FACT!

    Captain Jack was a model angel here. FACT!
    You're a Manu hater. FACT!

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    Jax, and it's not even that close in my opinion. I'd rather have someone who is durable and consistent over someone who can be superman one minute, a turnover machine the next, or unable to play after that.

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    Jax, and it's not even that close in my opinion. I'd rather have someone who is durable and consistent over someone who can be superman one minute, a turnover machine the next, or unable to play after that.
    If anything, Jax is a turnover machine consistently...
    And up until this season, Manu played considerably more games than SJax... so I don't really know what do you mean by durable...

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    You should lose your Argie nationality over that statement. Jackson can't drible the ball without looking at the floor 'cause he would drible the ball out off his foot if he wouldn't (I don't know if that sentence made sense). Plus he's slow as and my grandma can jump higher than him. Let's face it Jackson is role player playing with the responsibilities of a star.
    He's got a bigger size and he's a better defender than Manu. Manu is the better offensive player, and has the bigger basketball IQ. They're really two different players excelling at different things.

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    the coyote or mark cuban?

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    It was Artest who charged into the stands to find the fan that tossed the beer at him while he was lounging on the scorers' table.

    Jax seeing his teammate go up there alone to face who knows what, followed him, to get his back.

    Was this the right thing to do? That depends on your personal code of values. You see a teammate putting himself in harms way you gonna just chill and let him get hurt?

    We can only imagine with his talents, how much different a basketball player, and Man, Stephen Jackson would have become had he stayed here in SA, under Coach Pop, with Tim Duncan, and all the character guys we had over the years for him to learn from.

    I miss Feast or Famine and his fearless approach to the game. Imagine him and Manu making marvelous plays and getting the stadium krunk! Jax and Bowen hounding Lebron or Kobe.

    Or in 2004 when TP was getting assualted by the Lakers, after an especially hard foul, picking up Tony, you better bet Jax then would have been in somebody's mug with Duncan glaring over top of him..

    For as great as our core guys are, Jax dynamite like personality, would have added another dimension to the Spurs. In my mind you need a player like that as long as you have good people around him.

    Pop is Earth, TD is Water, TP is Wind, Manu all Heart.. Jax would have been our mutha fukin fire!
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    Jax, and it's not even that close in my opinion. I'd rather have someone who is durable and consistent over someone who can be superman one minute, a turnover machine the next, or unable to play after that.
    Durable:

    "News: Jackson underwent surgery to remove multiple bone spurs from his left foot Tuesday, the Associated Press reports.
    Spin: Jackson's bone spurs were located above nerve tissue under his big toe, according to Dr. Thomas Clanton, who performed the surgery in Houston. Jackson will begin rehabilitation in six weeks. He's obviously out for the rest of this season"

    When was the last time Manu had a season ending injury? ... Oh that's right: never. Even though he has played the double of games in his career.

    Consistent:

    41 % FG - 33 % 3pt - 3.88 TO's If you want somebody that consistenly put those numbers you're crazy.

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    At this point Stephen Jackson.

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    It was Artest who charged into the stands to find the fan that tossed the beer at him while he was lounging on the scorers' table.

    Jax seeing his teammate go up there alone to face who knows what, followed him, to get his back.

    Was this the right thing to do? That depends on your personal code of values. You see a teammate putting himself in harms way you gonna just chill and let him get hurt?

    We can only imagine with his talents, how much different a basketball player, and Man, Stephen Jackson would have become had he stayed here in SA, under Coach Pop, with Tim Duncan, and all the character guys we had over the years for him to learn from.

    I miss Feast or Famine and his fearless approach to the game. Imagine him and Manu making marvelous plays and getting the stadium krunk! Jax and Bowen hounding Lebron or Kobe.

    Or in 2004 when TP was getting assualted by the Lakers, after an especially hard foul, picking up Tony, you better bet Jax then would have been in somebody's mug with Duncan glaring over top of him..

    For as great as our core guys are, Jax dynamite like personality, would have added another dimension to the Spurs. In my mind you need a player like that as long as you have good people around him.

    Pop is Earth, TD is Water, TP is Wind, Manu all Heart.. Jax would have been our mutha fukin fire!
    It's not that we didn't want him. He walked away from us. There's a lot of people, me included, that would have loved to have kept Jax and see him grow with us. But after winning the championship, he decided he wanted to be 'The Man' and that was not going to happen in San Antonio.

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    I just don't know what has been going on with Manu this year.

    I'm not even talking about his injuries, it's like all the bad decisions he made in his first few years! I'm so confused.

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    worst post ever. ginobilli's going to come back to his previous form after several games, remember last time he came back it took him several games as well to regain his unstoppable forum. he'll prove the believers right in the playoffs.

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    worst post ever. ginobilli's going to come back to his previous form after several games, remember last time he came back it took him several games as well to regain his unstoppable forum. he'll prove the believers right in the playoffs.
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    really
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    okay, maybe i shouldn't have been that dismissive of your post, at this time yes it is worthy to ask ourselves who's the better player. but manu's struggled post-injury before, i don't expect it to last.

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    I would never take Sjax over Ginobili. I love Sjax but Gino is the better player even if he has missed some time over the past few seasons!

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