Rush Limbaugh gets pwned by Vet

[LnGrrrR]

See - you're far more mean and closed-minded than I am. You have the right to be an immoral heathen - it's your life. But don't cast aspersions on mine just because you don't agree with it.

Crookshanks, I like how you tell someone "You're closeminded" and then immediately assume that this person is an "immoral heathen". Do you not see that you are being as close minded as the person you are accusing?

Aren't you supposed to refrain from judging Crookshanks, as a born again Christian?

[Crookshanks]

Curious....I'm not dogging your views or beliefs but you seem to imply that all liberals are 20 somethings who don't have a clear view on the world. Isn't it possible that some are as old as you, have done what you have done (which by the way, props to your kids for their service) and have everything you have but just don't agree with you about politics?

Sure! It's not only possible, it's reality - look at who is in the majority in Congress right now!

I just made that comment because I wanted people to know that I'm not some immature "youngster" that hasn't experienced the hardships of life. I've looked at the world and questioned my beliefs and I'm comfortable with what I believe. Others have done the same thing, but come to a different conclusion - and so we disagree. The world would be a very boring place if we were all alike and all agreed on everything! Just think - the threads about religion would only be about 4 pages long!

[Crookshanks]

Crookshanks, I like how you tell someone "You're closeminded" and then immediately assume that this person is an "immoral heathen". Do you not see that you are being as close minded as the person you are accusing?

Aren't you supposed to refrain from judging Crookshanks, as a born again Christian?

I was being facetious! Sorry - we don't have a smilie for sarcasm. I know nothing about koriwhat - I was making a generalization to make a point about what he said about me.

[baseline bum]

I'm not in any way brainwashed. I'm a moral, upstanding, productive member of society who has NEVER done drugs or even smoked a cigarette. I very rarely drink and I'm an intelligent, informed person.

What's wrong with drugs? Rush does them.

[clambake]

hey crooks.....since you're so fond of levin....you should write him and tell him not to play jon stewart clips on his show.

today, it turned out to be the only thing interesting on levins program.

[Cry Havoc]

I'm a strong conservative - always have been and always will be and I will never be ashamed of that.

You shouldn't be ashamed of your political views. I grew up in one of the most conservative households possible. I am not a liberal nor a conservative, and every time I take a test or get into discussions, I am labeled as too liberal for the conservatives and too conservative for the liberals. I'm fine with that -- I consider myself a moderate. I always thought I would be a conservative. And in recent years, that has changed.

I just don't find liberals interesting or entertaining.

I find this comment a bit puzzling. If you are looking to people of the opposite political party to entertain you, I question your motives and ability to objectively judge their points of view as valid or relevant compared to your own.

I find them mean, shallow and very close-minded towards ANYTHING conservative.

Are you comfortable making that large of a generalization? I retain many points of view that are considered conservative, and I'm sure by this point you've passed me off as an "boring liberal".

I'm a born-again, evangelical christian and that shapes my beliefs, views and convictions. That's why I find some of the comments directed towards me very offensive - but I really don't care what other posters think of me because they only know my online persona. They most likely wouldn't be my friend out in the "real" world - but hey, we almost always hang with people who are like us - so to each his own.

Please tell me: what do you think Jesus would say to Rush? Do you think his off-color comments are in line with what you feel, as a Christian, are positive things to put in your mind? Would Jesus support torture? Would he broadcast such a clear message of derision and anger to a mass audience? I find it interesting that people claim to be followers of Jesus, and yet listen to and put such things in their mind. Jesus spoke love and truth wherever He went. Can you honestly, as a Christian, tell me that Rush and Sean Hannity are examples of who Christians should listen to? Do they really seem wise to you? I actually want to know. To be clear, I'm NOT calling into judgment whether you are a true Christian or not... I'm just sincerely confused as to how you can listen to someone who seems to be so full of virulent hate and depends on making wild, argumentative statements for the sake of his audience and his paycheck.

[Crookshanks]

Those comments I made about liberals not being entertaining and being close-minded were directed at tv/radio personalities - not at any one individual here or anyone I know.

As far as Jesus and Rush - I don't think Rush is hateful. Jesus often spoke harshly to the Pharisees and he drove the money changers from the Temple - he showed a righteous anger. Sean Hannity is not hateful at all - he's the most polite and tame one on air! He isn't even rude to the idiot lib callers.

Sean is a christian. I don't know about Rush, but he isn't hostile towards christianity. I guess I have a very different view of them than you do because I don't think they make wild statements - except in jest. Rush has an on-air persona that may not be anything like what he is in person - I don't know. But I truly believe Sean is the same person all the time - he has strong values and he practices what he preaches.

Now I don't listen to Michael Savage because he's waaaay over the top and I think he can be hateful.

I don't know what Jesus would say about torture - but I personally have no problem with it. I don't care what they do to those people who would just as soon cut your head off as look at you. If torture is what it takes to save even one American - then I say go for it. I don't think terrorists should have any rights. Legitimate POW's - now that's a different story. But I think terrorists are the s of the earth!

[Cry Havoc]

Those comments I made about liberals not being entertaining and being close-minded were directed at tv/radio personalities - not at any one individual here or anyone I know.

Fair enough... I think it's a bit of a generalization ( o, Jon Stewart?) but I retract the comment.

As far as Jesus and Rush - I don't think Rush is hateful. Jesus often spoke harshly to the Pharisees and he drove the money changers from the Temple - he showed a righteous anger. Sean Hannity is not hateful at all - he's the most polite and tame one on air! He isn't even rude to the idiot lib callers.

Sean is a christian. I don't know about Rush, but he isn't hostile towards christianity. I guess I have a very different view of them than you do because I don't think they make wild statements - except in jest. Rush has an on-air persona that may not be anything like what he is in person - I don't know. But I truly believe Sean is the same person all the time - he has strong values and he practices what he preaches.

I don't harbor a personal resentment towards Mr. Hannity. I think he's a pretty obvious partisan hack, but there are a lot of people out there who are as well, he's just more in the spotlight. He clearly manipulates facts, but I'm sure there are several liberal hacks out there who do as well. But Rush is a completely different story, and even if he's "joking" , you have to admit that his kind of social commentary is designed to stir up resentment and anger towards people who disagree with his political ideologies. I mean, seriously, someone who brands himself as, "the last true conservative" or whatever it was? Shaq and Rush should get together and talk about what it's like to be the last of their kind.

I don't know what Jesus would say about torture - but I personally have no problem with it. I don't care what they do to those people who would just as soon cut your head off as look at you. If torture is what it takes to save even one American - then I say go for it. I don't think terrorists should have any rights. Legitimate POW's - now that's a different story. But I think terrorists are the s of the earth!

I thought we are all s of the Earth. For all have sinned, and all fall short of the glory of God, correct? Isn't it God's job to judge them as such? Jesus was harsh in his words, but he lifted up a pros ute -- more than that, He went to Levi the tax collector (viewed as the dirtiest, ugliest kind of traitor in those days) and said, "follow me". That might not sound like much, but coming from someone who was viewed as a rabbi, it's a culturally incredible statement. Did he physically raise a hand to people to smite them or gain information?

Sorry, to me, it just doesn't make sense, and supporting torture puts a person on a very slippery slope. Where does it stop? What about an American military person who's alleged to be giving out secrets to terrorists? Could he be a terrorist and thereby tortured as well?

[MannyIsGod]

To each his own but I quit listening to this kind of talk radio when I was 23 because it insulted my intelligence. I'm surprised so many are able to listen to it without being extremely annoyed, but then people also like techno music.

Its funny because thats almost the exact same age when I gave up on talk radio. I get the same feeling when I watch a lot of television network news.

[Ignignokt]

what's this fake outrage about rush. Dude makes political commentary not news, he gives oppinion. Guy just making some cash, and he's actually said to be a nice guy who doesn't mean harm.

I get that you don't like the guy, that's cool.

I would like to know how much it bothers me to read rage emmenating from the series of tubes while i'm smoking a cuban cig on my yacht.

[Ignignokt]

Its funny because thats almost the exact same age when I gave up on talk radio. I get the same feeling when I watch a lot of television network news.

believe it or not, same here. I can only listen to talk radio in bouts of 3 days with months in between. Most of the time it's like the blogosphere, on a slow news day they manufacture outrage. It can be absurd, but talk radio is actually entertaining. It was entertaining after 911, the dubai ports deal, and katrina, as well as it is now with all the drama of conservatives fighting for king of the hill.

I know how you all feel, when i want real objective news i go to the modern day edward r murrow and his grandson with her own show on MSNBC. Hard hitting truth there!

[LnGrrrR]

I don't know what Jesus would say about torture - but I personally have no problem with it. I don't care what they do to those people who would just as soon cut your head off as look at you. If torture is what it takes to save even one American - then I say go for it. I don't think terrorists should have any rights. Legitimate POW's - now that's a different story. But I think terrorists are the s of the earth!

Crookshanks, didn't Jesus say to turn the other cheek?

Also, how do you know which terrorists ARE terrorists and which ones were apprehended even though they were innocent?

[Ignignokt]

Crookshanks, didn't Jesus say to turn the other cheek?

Also, how do you know which terrorists ARE terrorists and which ones were apprehended even though they were innocent?

Yeah, i'm sure jesus came to earth not to give personal advice for people but to bring a new era of pacifist government.

[Alex Jones]

what's this fake outrage about rush. Dude makes political commentary not news, he gives oppinion. Guy just making some cash,

Then why did you and half this forum quote him left and right the last four years?

[The Power Hour.]

I get a kick out of seeing a republican or a RUSH supporter get exposed and they pull out the "hey its just fun radio" card.

But when someone else makes a comment on the radio they don't agree with that person should be fired for lying to the public.

[Ignignokt]

Then why did you and half this forum quote him left and right the last four years?

when he was relevant i qouted him, even had liberals agree in that thread.

I'm sorry he's more credible than alex jones.

[LnGrrrR]

Yeah, i'm sure jesus came to earth not to give personal advice for people but to bring a new era of pacifist government.

Didn't he also say to beat swords into plowshares?

[Cry Havoc]

Yeah, i'm sure jesus came to earth not to give personal advice for people but to bring a new era of pacifist government.

Matthew 26:52: Then said Jesus to him, "Put up again thy sword into its place: for all they that take the sword, shall perish by the sword."

Matthew 5:3-10
3"Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4Blessed are those who mourn,
for they will be comforted.
5Blessed are the meek,
for they will inherit the earth.
6Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they will be filled.
7Blessed are the merciful,
for they will be shown mercy.
8Blessed are the pure in heart,
for they will see God.
9Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they will be called sons of God.
10Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 5:38-48

“Ye have heard that it was said : ‘Eye for eye’ and ‘tooth for tooth.’ (39) But I tell you not to withstand him who is evil : but whoever strikes thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also :
(40) and if anyone wishes to go to law with thee and take away thy tunic, let him have thy cloak also :
(41) and whoever ‘impresses’ thee (to go) one mile, go two with him.
(42) Give to him that asks of thee, and from him who wishes to borrow of thee, turn not away.
(43) Ye have heard that it was said : ‘Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.’
(44) But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
(45) in order that ye may become sons of your Father who is in heaven, for He raises His sun on evil and good (alike) and rains upon righteous and unrighteous.
(46) For if ye love (only) those who love you, what reward have ye? do not even the taxgatherers do the same?
(47) and if ye greet your brothers only, what extra (thing) do ye do? do not even the gentiles do the same?
(48) Ye then shall be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.”

Jesus also indirectly showed his distaste for Earthly empires a number of times. He was not a man who wished for power, even though both Satan and the Galileans offered him kingdoms.

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Were Jesus alive during the World Wars, I do not think he would have asked countries to sit idly by and allow Germany and Italy to march over all of Europe. To do so would be to incur suffering on those that did not deserve it and had no way of preventing it, and this definitely runs contrary to caring about others, which is the basis of most of his teachings. That said, I think any war which branches upon territorial expansion or individualized profit for one nation at the expense of another would be instantly frowned upon and condemned.

[LnGrrrR]

Cry Havoc,

You're not supposed to actually read the Bible! Just listen to what your preacher says.

[jack sommerset]

I have never listen to Rush L show. I have seen him time to time on other people shows or clips like this. With that said he did not get owned. That clip was dumb. Thats it. Just DUMB. Thats why I don't listen to talk radio. Calling the radio host Nazi. Lamo


I have seen the commentators a few times that showed the Rush clip. I have never seen anything funny or newsworthy they have said yet.