Mother kills son with a bullet to back of head at Florida shooting range

[Bigzax]

all my generalizations are just sarcastic too...

[whottt]

I wasn't alive when blacks and women couldn't vote.

There's a reason that they are allowed to vote today.

Yes, because they realized that calling something a law doesn't make it right and fought against it. Which is something you would have never done..based on your rationalization of right and wrong. Which goes completely against the grain of your argument that something being in law determines it's rightness or wrongness.

There's also a reason why killing another person is still, and will pretty much always be, outlawed.

Are you kidding? There's legalized killing all the time in this country.

so you are saying that atheistic societies should overturn any law that forbids killing another person.

There's no such thing as an atheistic society....they only crop up under the umbrella of an organized society(almost always originally organized under some form of religious code).

No, I'm gonna say again it's you that lacks any logic.

I don't lack logic...I'm not the one that rationalized something being in law as right...and then contradicted myself upon the first sentence someone uttered that challenged that ignorant POV...

That would be you.

[peewee's lovechild]

Having none is very convenient for you.

No, it's just logical.

[BacktoBasics]

I'm going to take a moment and point out some things that people think are stereotypes and generalization but are in fact founded and accurate. Is it not a legitimate point when it in fact turns out to be accurate. Ponder this please.

Mexicans like mexican food.
Blacks smell like fritos.
Chinese people eat noodles.
Pretty people like pretty people.
Gay men enjoy things in their assholes.
Ugly people typically have bad credit.
Fat people typically have bad credit.
Guns kill people not people with guns.
Obama likes fried chicken.
Aunt Jemimah hated cooking.
Fat girls shouldn't be picky.
American women basketball players shouldn't throw tantrums and play for other countries.

[Spock]

No, it's just logical.

Only to sooth your own non-beliefs. Which is logical.

[peewee's lovechild]

Fat girls shouldn't be picky.

[whottt]

no, that's just you criticizing, piling on and stereotyping

Well #1, no it's not...b2b said there's no need of god or that sense of right and wrong because all atheists share the same sense of right and wrong...his generalization, not mine. According to him atheists wouldn't have differing views of right and wrong...they all inherently know right and wrong, it's because they are all intelligent enough to call themselves atheists.

Surely you aren't saying you disagree with him? If so you prove him wrong and me right...no matter what you say about me and my arguments.

If you are too stupid to go back and find the post where he did it...well that's unfortunate for you, I'd find it for you but frankly I don't think it's worth that sort of effort since you are stupid and likely to be unconvinced by my efforts.


And I never said I wasn't generalizing, criticizing and judging...ih fact, it would be pretty stupid to think I have ever attempted to claim that for myself or presented myself that way.

Read more. Post less.

[Aunt Jemima]

I'm going to take a moment and point out some things that people think are stereotypes and generalization but are in fact founded and accurate. Is it not a legitimate point when it in fact turns out to be accurate. Ponder this please.

Mexicans like mexican food.
Blacks smell like fritos.
Chinese people eat noodles.
Pretty people like pretty people.
Gay men enjoy things in their assholes.
Ugly people typically have bad credit.
Fat people typically have bad credit.
Guns kill people not people with guns.
Obama likes fried chicken.
Aunt Jemimah hated cooking.
Fat girls shouldn't be picky.
American women basketball players shouldn't throw tantrums and play for other countries.

My favorite place is in the kitchen.

[FaithInOne]

The reason people like this kill their kids before they kill themselves is because they themselves feel death is a better alternative to life...I mean that's why they're suicidal and considering taking their own lives in the first place...because they've convinced themselves death is better. Probably other secondary thoughts like saving their loved ones from going through the suffering of dealing with the trauma of a suicide, or leaving their fate to complete strangers. Add in religious elements of eternal life and peace and a in some cases the murderer might even think they are doing their loved ones a favor since they are giving them a sinless death and sending them to heaven.


There is a logic behind it.

In this case that woman clearly loved her son. She smoked his ass in one of the most painless ways possible. That kid never knew what hit him and I doubt he felt any pain. She otoh felt she was basically condemning herself to with her actions but also having to go through the traumatic experience of shooting herself in the head, but was willing to do that to save her son the suffering he would face in the end of the world. This was much more traumatic for her than it was for him.


I'm not defending her actions...but there was a clear line of logic to what she did.


Now my question...why do atheists get all up in arms over things like this?

If you don't believe in god or heaven and then there is essentially no good or evil...no right or wrong. So why are you guys acting like this was wrong?

It's no more wrong than killing a roach or an ant according to your system of beliefs.

There's no old man passing judgement on this and sending people to heaven or over it...it's just a couple more dead animals. Really this woman's actions have no meaning beyond that of any one who takes a life, insect, animal or otherwise. And life...and death...go on.

So why the soapbox stance and outrage? It's just some biological organisms ceasing to function. Meaningless in the grand scheme of things...much like life and death themself.

I mean you've killed an ant because it was annoying you before, right? Same thing, right? Ant probably felt more pain than this kid did.

pwnage.

[BacktoBasics]

Well #1, no it's not...b2b said there's no need of god or that sense of right and wrong because all atheists share the same sense of right and wrong....

Where did I say all atheists share the same sense of right and wrong?

My point originally was that each human being religious or not can find and utilize a rational sense of right and wrong without the jesus jibberish behind it.

[Fat boy]

Fat people typically have bad credit.

I could buy your ass and move you into a tent.

[BacktoBasics]

pwnage.

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[whottt]

Did she or did she not think she was doing something good for her son because of her religious beliefs?

She thought her son would go somewhere good...she didn't think she was doing a good act, that's why she said she was going to go to for it.

So if the idea of eternal torment isn't enough to keep someone from doing something like this...what in the world makes you think the idea of eternal oblivion and nothingess will fare better? In all likelyhood, it will fare much worse at preventing these sorts of things.

Stupidity is a part of the human condition...unfortunately, try not to compound the problem by making sweeping generalizations and citing superficial details as the cause.

I know you're still pissed your puppy never came back...but at some point you have to get over it.

[FaithInOne]

backtobasics, what is behind right and wrong if there is no god. Honest question I have been wondering myself.

Is it some byproduct of the world that had to be set in place in order for lifeforms to function in the long-term?

[AmericanWoman]

backtobasics, what is behind right and wrong if there is no god. Honest question I have been wondering myself.

Is it some byproduct of the world that had to be set in place in order for lifeforms to function in the long-term?

He is.

[BacktoBasics]

She thought her son would go somewhere good...she didn't think she was doing a good act, that's why she said she was going to go to for it.

So if the idea of eternal torment isn't enough to keep someone from doing something like this...what in the world makes you think the idea of eternal oblivion and nothingess will fare better? In all likelyhood, it will fare much worse at preventing these sorts of things.

Eternal oblivion and nothingness has fared quite well for many of us. As far as I'm concerned it liberated me. If she knew there was no heaven would she have still killed him? If there was no better place for him to go and he was better off where he's at would it have still gone down this way?

[BacktoBasics]

He is.

Did you even read what her wrote?

[exstatic]

we're all ed up by our parents...atheists just blame God for it...deep down you know...

Would that be the same god they don't believe in?

[Bigzax]

sliding scale. "rational" to one is "irrational" to another.

[BacktoBasics]

Is it some byproduct of the world that had to be set in place in order for lifeforms to function in the long-term?

I don't have the energy to pick it apart but in a nuts yeah.

[peewee's lovechild]

backtobasics, what is behind right and wrong if there is no god. Honest question I have been wondering myself.

Is it some byproduct of the world that had to be set in place in order for lifeforms to function in the long-term?

Chingado, I posed this on a previous post:

Buddhists don't believe in a "god" and yet they know right from wrong.

Taoists and Confucionists(sp?) fall into the same category.

You fail to realize that the entire world is not christian. You can gain an understanding of right and wrong, good and evil, without having to base it on any particular "god".

[JoeChalupa]

For some reason I'm in the mood for some devil's food cake.

[FaithInOne]

Going on the idea that there is nothingness after life, why should a human's free will lead them to the "right" path over the "wrong" if they knew they could get away with it under Man's Laws.

If there is no grand reward, or progress in the next life, why should some choose to be honest when they see others getting away in life taking the bad path.

[JoeChalupa]

Or maybe some carne del diablo sammiches.

[FaithInOne]

Chingado, I posed this on a previous post:

Buddhists don't believe in a "god" and yet they know right from wrong.

Taoists and Confucionists(sp?) fall into the same category.

You fail to realize that the entire world is not christian. You can gain an understanding of right and wrong, good and evil, without having to base it on any particular "god".

lol dude, I belong to no religion and have read numerous times the teachings of lao tze. They also believe there is a purpose to life, man does have meaning, and man will be rewarded should he make the right choices along his path of spiritual progression.

I respect the beliefs of those you listed out of any other religious/spiritual beliefs in this world.