Come N Get it-- All Remaining Games for Western Playoff teams, seeding, tiebreakers !

[Mavs<Spurs]

Okay, my peeps, I got some good stuff all in one place.

This thread has all of the remaining games for all of the Western Conference Playoff teams, it has the seeding for all of them, it has the 2 way and 3 way tiebreaker rules, links, and an article explaining the Spurs, Rockets and Blazers complicated situation.

Make a prediction about seeding and the record for each of these teams for their remaining games.







http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/7164305

The following is an explanation of NBA tiebreaking scenarios.
Determining Ties for Playoff Position
In order to break a tie for playoff positions, if one exists at the end of the regular season, the following criteria will be utilized in the order set forth:
TWO-WAY TIES
1. Results of games against each other.
2. Better winning percentage within own division (only if tied teams are in same division).
3. Better winning percentage against teams in own conference.
4. Better winning percentage against playoff opponents in own conference (including teams that finished the regular season tied for a playoff position).
5. Better winning percentage against playoff opponents in opposite conference (including teams that finished the regular season tied for a playoff position).
6. Better point differential between offense and defense.
MORE THAN TWO TEAMS TIED
1. If applicable, division champions must be determined first.
2. Better winning percentage in all games among the tied teams.
3. Better winning percentage against teams in own division (only if all tied teams are in same division).
4. Better winning percentage against teams in own conference.
5. Better winning percentage against teams eligible for playoffs in own conference (including team that finished the regular season tied for a playoff position).
6. Best point differential between offense and defense.
Note: If a multiple team tie is reduced to a two-team tie at any point using the above criteria, the two-team tie will be resolved in accordance with the existing two-team tie procedure.
http://www.oregonlive.com/nba/index...._make_for.html

If Portland and Denver end the season with identical records, the Nuggets would win the division le via tiebreaker. The first tiebreaker is head-to-head compe ion. If the Blazers defeat the Nuggets on Wednesday, both teams will have won two games. The next tiebreaker is each team's record against Northwest Division opponents. The Nuggets have the better record against division opponents, 12-3 vs. the Blazers 9-5, and with only one division game left is assured of maintaining that lead.
Should the Nuggets win the division le and the second seed, the Blazers will probably fight Houston and San Antonio for the third and fourth seeds in the conference.
The Blazers' loss at Houston on Sunday means the Rockets win the tiebreaker if the teams finish tied in the standings. The Rockets won two of three head-to-head games during the season and own the first tiebreaker scenario.
However, if the Blazers and Spurs finish tied in the standings, the Blazers win the tiebreaker for the fourth seed and possibly home court advantage in the first round. The Blazers won three of four games against the Spurs this season.
Had the Blazers lost, the season series would have been tied and the next tiebreaker is each team's record against division opponents. The Blazers have a half-game lead with two division games remaining (San Antonio has one). If the Blazers and Spurs finish with identical division records, the next tiebreaker is conference records, and the Spurs hold a significant advantage.
It gets really complicated if Houston, San Antonio and Portland finish in a three-way tie. The first step to break that tie is determining whether Houston or San Antonio wins the Southwest Division. Since the Spurs and Rockets split four games, division record would be the next tiebreaker. San Antonio has a half game lead now, but if each team wins it remaining division games, they would tie there, too. They also have identical conference records, which would push it to the fifth tiebreaker -- winning percentage against other conference playoff teams.
The Southwest Division winner would get the No.3 seed, and the tiebreakers would be applied to the other two teams for the fourth seed. It would be to Portland's advantage for Houston to be the third seed so the Blazers could earn home court advantage against the Spurs.
http://www.nba.com/standings/team_re...w_Std_Div.html

I am updating these daily ! So, this is current as of tonight, reflecting all of the games played tonight, April 13, 2009.

Los Angeles Lakers 64 wins 17 losses
Currently #1 seed (will stay #1 seed)
Los Angeles April 12 vs Memphis in Los Angeles (LA won this game)
Los Angeles April 14 vs Utah in Los Angeles

Denver current record – 54 wins 27 losses
Currently #2 seed
Denver April 13 vs Sacramento in Denver (Denver won this game)
Denver April 15 vs Portland in Portland

Houston current record 53 wins 28 losses
Currently # 3 seed
Houston April 13 vs New Orleans in Houston (Houston won this game)
Houston April 15 vs Dallas in Dallas

Portland 53 wins 28 losses now 4-13-09 52 wins 28 losses
Currently #4 seed (hold 2 way tiebreaker against San Antonio) [behind in 2 way tiebreaker against Houston due to most recent loss against Houston in Houston] changed now to currently #5 seed
Portland April 11 vs LA Clippers in Los Angeles (Portland won this game)
Portland April 13 vs OKC in Portland (Portland won this game)
Portland April 15 vs Denver in Portland

San Antonio 53 wins 28 losses now -4-13-09
Currently #5 seed (below Portland in 2 way tiebreaker)
San Antonio April 12 vs Sacramento in Sacramento (Spurs won this game)
San Antonio April 13 vs Golden State at Golden State (Spurs won this game)
San Antonio April 15 vs New Orleans in San Antonio

New Orleans 48 wins 32 losses now 4-13-09
Currently #6 seed
New Orleans April 12 vs Dallas in New Orleans (New Orleans lost this game)
New Orleans April 13 vs Houston in New Orleans
New Orleans April 15 vs San Antonio in San Antonio

Dallas 49 wins 32 losses now 4-13-09
Currently #7 seed
Dallas April 12 vs New Orleans in New Orleans (Dallas lost this game)
Dallas April 13 vs Minnesota in Dallas (Dallas won this game)
Dallas April 15 vs Houston in Dallas

Utah 48 wins 33 losses - now 4-13-09
Currently #8 seed - Utah must win out and Dallas must go 1 win 1 loss for Utah to get #7 seed
Utah April 11 vs Golden State at Utah [Utah lost this game]
Utah April 13 vs LA Clippers at Utah (Utah won this game)
Utah April 14 vs LA Lakers in Los Angeles


Edited to include all relevant games on 11th and 12th and 13th !

[Mavs<Spurs]

My predictions:

LA 2-0 finishes 65-17 # 1 seed
Denver 1-1 loss to Portland in Portland finishes 54-28 and # 2 seed (own tiebreaker against Spurs)
San Antonio 3 -0 finishes 54 – 28 and # 3 seed
Houston 1-1 loses to New Orleans finishes 53 – 29 and #4 seed (owns 2 way tiebreaker against Portland )
Portland 2 -1 loses to LA Clippers in LA finishes 53 – 29 and # 5 seed
New Orleans 2-1 loses to San Antonio finishes 50 – 32 and # 6 seed
Utah 2-1 loses to LA Lakers finishes 49 – 33 and # 7 seed (holds 2 way tiebreaker against Mavericks)
Dallas 1-2 loses to New Orleans and to Houston finishes 49 – 33 and # 8 seed



this would leave:

LA vs Dallas
Houston vs Portland

Denver vs Utah
SA vs New Orleans


LA wins in 5 against Dallas
SA wins in 7 against NO

Denver wins in 7 against Utah
Portland wins in 7 against Houston

LA wins in 6 against Portland
San Antonio wins in 7 against Denver

LA wins in 5 against San Antonio

LA plays the Cavs

Cavs have homecourt. Cavs lost 1 game at home all year.
Cavs win every game at home. Cavs win the series, the Finals, in 7.
LeBron James is an NBA Champion and Finals MVP. LeBron James also wins regular season mvp.


If it is 1. LA 2. Denver 3. Portland 4. SA 5. Houston 6. NO 7. Dallas 8. Utah

(Another reasonably likely scenario)

LA beats Utah in 6
SA beats Portland in 7

Denver beats Dallas in 7
Portland beats NO in 7

LA beats SA in 6
Portland beats Denver in 7

LA beats Portland in 6

LA advances to play Cavs in Finals. Cavs have HCA in Finals. Cavs lost only 1 game at home. Cavs win every home playoff game in the Finals against LA and win the series, then, in 7 games. James is Finals MVP and regular season mvp.

[Mavs<Spurs]

If I'm wrong in my predictions, then probably what happened would be that Portland wins out, goes 3-0 and grabs #3 seed, San Antonio wins fewer games, perhaps losing at New Orleans and becomes # 4 seed.

[Mavs<Spurs]

Dude, no offense, I really like the hard work, but you are thinking way to much into this. Just let the season play itself out. I thought about doing something like this about 6 games left and it was too crazy, I decided then whatever happens happens.

I think we are going to play at Portland for the first game of the playoffs.

no offense taken.

It was a lot of work, but I thought some people might like to see this.
Besides I was kind of interested in it myself.

[Kori Ellis]

My predictions:

Lakers - 2-0
Denver - 1-1 (losing to Portland)
Houston - 0-2
Portland - 3-0
S.A. - 2-1 (losing to GS)
New Orleans - 2-1 (losing to SA)
Dallas - 1-2 (losing to NO/Hou)
Utah - 2-1 (losing to Lakers)

I have no idea how that will make the seeds end up though

[KSeal]

This is all moot. The Blazers are going to win the NBA championship this year because they are just so long, athletic, and skilled. None of this playoff seeding even matters.

[Mavs<Spurs]

My predictions:

Lakers - 2-0
Denver - 1-1 (losing to Portland)
Houston - 0-2
Portland - 3-0
S.A. - 2-1 (losing to GS)
New Orleans - 2-1 (losing to SA)
Dallas - 1-2 (losing to NO/Hou)
Utah - 2-1 (losing to Lakers)

I have no idea how that will make the seeds end up though

So, for your seeding,
1. Lakers
2. Denver
3. Portland
4. San Antonio
5. Houston
6. New Orleans
7. Utah
8. Dallas



Lakers in 4 against Dallas
Denver in 6 against Utah
Portland in 6 against New Orleans
San Antonio in 7 against Houston

Lakers in 5 against San Antonio
Portland in 7 against Denver

Lakers in 5 against Portland

Lakers vs Cavs, Cavs have home court advantage.

Cavs in 7, win all games at home.

[Mavs<Spurs]

This is all moot. The Blazers are going to win the NBA championship this year because they are just so long, athletic, and skilled. None of this playoff seeding even matters.

tlong II, is that you ?

[Cloud786]

DAMN hornets end with the texas three step to end the season? Wow they might end up 8th seed!!

[djohn2oo8]

DAMN hornets end with the texas three step to end the season? Wow they might end up 8th seed!!

More like 2 and a half....Mavs dont count

[KSeal]

Hornets are going to lose out and then get Chandler, Peja, and Posey fully healthy and upset the Lakers. CP3 and West P&R completely owns the Lakers. They'll run it every time down the floor and score every time down the floor, BOOK IT!

[Rogue]

My predictions:

Lakers - 2-0
Denver - 1-1 (losing to Portland)
Houston - 0-2
Portland - 3-0
S.A. - 2-1 (losing to GS)
New Orleans - 2-1 (losing to SA)
Dallas - 1-2 (losing to NO/Hou)
Utah - 2-1 (losing to Lakers)

I have no idea how that will make the seeds end up though

[Rogue]

More like 2 and a half....

you're describing yourself djohn, right? two legs and a smaller one between them which is very elastic and adjustable. of course no one else is that shameless as you to talk about the very private issues in a public forum.

[Kori Ellis]

Yeah sorry. That should say (losing to NO/Minny).

[Mavs<Spurs]

You don't think that Dallas and Houston can both lose when they play each other ? There has to be a winner? Are you serious.



Good catch !

I was so stupid, just mechanically giving her the seedings that I didn't even see it !



Hope you all beat the Lakers. Not trying to diss your team by my predictions.
After all, I predict the Lakers to beat the Spurs in 5 if / when they play each other and I have serious doubts that the Spurs get out of the second round still alive.

[Mavs<Spurs]

bump myself because a number of people were asking about the playoff seeding situation at the end of the game tonight !

[benefactor]

Tomorrow night is big. We could really use a loss from either Portland or Houston.

[HarlemHeat37]

I'm guessing it ends up..

LA vs. Utah
Denver vs. NO
Portland vs. Dallas
SA vs. Houston

[Mavs<Spurs]

Tomorrow night is big. We could really use a loss from either Portland or Houston.

Yeah, tomorrow, April 13, Houston against New Orleans is really important.

If we win against Golden State and Houston loses, then I will feel pretty good about getting the third seed.

[Ice009]

Tomorrow night is big. We could really use a loss from either Portland or Houston.

This win tonight puts the pressure on Portland and Houston. I'm sure both those teams would rather be resting than having to go all out to win games at the end of the season.

[Mavs<Spurs]

I'm guessing it ends up..

LA vs. Utah
Denver vs. NO
Portland vs. Dallas
SA vs. Houston

Utah owns the tiebreaker against Dallas and Utah just moved as Dallas lost.

So far, all of my predictions came true, but this was an easy day. The next ones are tougher.

However, Utah is poised to move into the seventh seed.

So, Denver vs Utah is at least as likely at this point with 2 games left for all teams.

[timaios]

I don't think the Spurs can win 1 game against the Lakers without Manu.
Especially the way the Spurs are playing now.

I'm not sure i want the Hornets in 1st round. Paul & West are always playing out of their minds against the Spurs.

I prefer the 4-5 spots for the Spurs & Rockets.
Then if the Spurs beat the Rockets... The Spurs will try to win 1 game against the Lakers.
They can't do nothing more this year.

With all the bad luck the Spurs had this year, i hope the 2009-10 season will be a great one... and healthy one.

[Fabbs]

Okay, my peeps, I got some good stuff all in one place.

MORE THAN TWO TEAMS TIED
1. If applicable, division champions must be determined first.
2. Better winning percentage in all games among the tied teams.
3. Better winning percentage against teams in own division (only if all tied teams are in same division).
4. Better winning percentage against teams in own conference.
5. Better winning percentage against teams eligible for playoffs in own conference (including team that finished the regular season tied for a playoff position).

What order are they in right here and now tonight with all 3 at 52-28?
ESPN has it
3 Spurs
4 Houston
5 Portland

but that is in error, right? Only way Spurs can move up is Port and Hou loss?

[Ice009]

I don't think the Spurs can win 1 game against the Lakers without Manu.
Especially the way the Spurs are playing now.

I'm not sure i want the Hornets in 1st round. Paul & West are always playing out of their minds against the Spurs.

I prefer the 4-5 spots for the Spurs & Rockets.
Then if the Spurs beat the Rockets... The Spurs will try to win 1 game against the Lakers.
They can't do nothing more this year.

With all the bad luck the Spurs had this year, i hope the 2009-10 season will be a great one... and healthy one.

Don't toss in the towel that quick man. We can do it. We still got Tim and Tony.

[Fabbs]

If Portland and Denver end the season with identical records, the Nuggets would win the division le via tiebreaker.

Darn. For the finale of Denver hosting Portland, Denver will just tank if up by 1 game going in.