I don't think it would happen with Eminem. Pac was putting out some of his best work immediately before his death. In the span of about two years he had three (really four) incredible albums: Me Against the World, All Eyez on Me, and Makaveli. All Eyez on Me is one of the very few double albums in the history of hip hop that had enough decent material, much less legendary material, to fill two discs. He didn't have Rakim's (or even Eminem's) lyrical skill, but in those three albums he was a tortured soul torn between multiple personalities that really spoke to people. You could see hints of that in his first two albums with songs like Brenda's Got a Baby and Keep Ya Head Up, but those last albums (especially Me Against the World) are the ones he really laid it all out. Those three albums are the work he's almost always remembered for, and it's hard to think he wouldn't have put out some more classic work had he not been murdered. Eminem's work after 8-Mile hasn't really compared well to his work before and including it.
Last edited by baseline bum; 04-11-2009 at 03:06 PM.
Exactly. If you judge eminem just by his pop hits then you'd think he's a but some of his album ish is actually pretty good. I'm not a huge fan because he can go overboard on his emo-ness but there's no doubt he's talented.
I love that song.
Jay-Z did the lyrical equivalent of grabbing his ankles. Eminem's verses were top notch while Jay-Z dropped verses that would be rejected on Sesame Street. That one song encapsulates why Jay-Z is the most overrated artist of the last two decades.
I don't think anything encapsulates Jay-Z's being overrated as badly as people thinking Reasonable Doubt was a top 10 album and Can't Knock the Hustle a classic track though.
Agreed. I hate more how musicians feel taht their job is to get their political point across outside of music. Like Bono, I hate that
So when you say "rappers" you really mean "Eminem".
Have you heard Em's songs besides the "singles" he puts on MTV? He's more than just celebrity bashing.
With that said, Em's new single is just awful. After beign out for a while I thought he was going to cut with the "funny comercial first single" thing.
Usually I think the same way but my favorite Eminem's song is "Rock Bottom" and that's as emo as it gets.
Hip hop has been political since The Furious Five dropped The Message.
I agree with that, admittedly I was using hyperbole. I should've said "when Em was at the height of his popularity".
The point I wanted to get across is I'd never heard any rapper been called the G.O.A.T. as much as Em was 6-7 years ago. Additionally, Em may be the only person who had hardcore fans they know all his music but have limited knowledge on hip-hop is general.
People like Can't knock the hustle?
I honestly don't think Jay-Z is overrated. Maybe by himself, but he is what he is. He has supreme talent when he decides to use it, but spent the better half of his career releasing bull . But he wanted to get rich, and that's what he did.
ANd I expect more from him than what he gives in "We Made You." The beat just clashes with his delivery so blatantly, but even then the lyrics are . At least back with "My Name Is" and "the Real Slim Shady" he had something to say. This new one is .... just a bunch of crap about celebrities that he makes rhyme. Very disappointed, and I hope this isn't an indicator that the new album will be more like Encore. Less "Just Lose It" and more "Mosh" as far as comparisons to the last album goes.
you never anyone say youre just listening to the radio tribe called quest, or youre talking about wu-tangs singles!
Dont compare Em to PAC
My question is, why does ANYONE like ANY rapper? Seriously. No talent involved. Come up with some rhyming words that all ing suck and as long as it has a good computer created (or ripped off) synthisized beat, stupid mother ers will listen.
No talent required at all. No insturmental requirements, no vocal requirements, nothing at all. Just come up with something about beating up es, ing hoes, losing homies or killing cops and you've got a hit record.
Rap has the most intricate lyrics of any form of music ever created.
What you are talking about is radio rap. You have no idea about the huge genre that hip hop is behind the radio.
that being said, you can shut the up now.
You mean you could come up with that rap I posted above? Yeah ing right.
Nothing could be farther from the truth. Rap is timed, tongue twisting poetry about life. At least good rap.
Well, you probably think striking 2 power chords, growling like a lion with eso eal cancer and screaming about death and satanic pentagrams requires talent.
Last edited by resistanze; 04-12-2009 at 08:57 AM.
Lame & clueless ing post right here.
I'm a purist when it comes to my hiphop. I see hiphop as an art. Hiphop, like all music, should be treated like fine wine.
So I can't help but wonder, at what point did rappers become pop stars?
it is all about the money its called hip pop now,keep in mind there all fake made up charecters,none of them lived the life they claimed thats why it so easy for them to cross over and sell out because thats what they were in the first place,hip pop is like some head on commercial,they repeat the same phrase over and over to get stuck in your head ,it is standard practice,all you need is to recycle some one else song then add a catchy hook that repeats it self over and over and you got a hit
here are some examples
jay z
beyonce
mike jones who mike jones lol
2pac owns,your crazy
ice ice baby
Talking a lot of bull really fast passes for talent these days. That micro machines spokesman from back in the day should have just talked a lot of about tipper gore, slapped it on an album, and sold it to lost souls with a terrible ear for music like a lot of you here.
I like some hip hop, but I would never consider it music. It's novelty.
What exactly is your definition of music?
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