Fair's fair

[SequSpur]

When you decide to come with an intelligent, well thought, adult take, then I will take you seriously.

Till then, go back to the troll forum with the other 15 year olds, and STFU.

you consider your bull pointless drivel intelligent? , the only thing you may have ever said that was intelligent would've been a compliment to something I said.

smb.

[Spursfan092120]

I'm not.

Ok. If a guy dribbles, what does that accomplish? Either Shane Battier or Ron Artest are going to close any gap they may have had and force an impossible 30 foot contested fade away (see: the Kings last shot tonight)

If you pass...what does that accomplish? By the time the receiver of the pass gets it there won't be more than .5 or so left (catch ball-->see teamate-->time ball takes to get to him) then he'll get to have a contested fade away jumper with even less time on the clock. If you think one pass is good enough to get an easy shot you are really under-estimating the Rockets defense.

What you got was a wide open shot with a pure relase. No off balance contested fade-away. You would have gotten nothing better. And if you would have, you're talking about insignificant percentage increases.

No dribbling...would have been a ball fake. And you really think that with 1.3 seconds, the only shot the Spurs are going to get is a contested 30 foot fadeaway jumper? Come on dude..please..you must have NEVER played the game. No passing either. But we have a lot more time, and a better, more clutch shooter could have gotten a shot off. Bonner is not a clutch shooter. Everyone knew Bonner's shot wasn't going in. He is NOT our clutch shooter. We could have gotten many things. A ball fake and a foul...a better shooter coming off a screen. Please dude...your arguments are giving me a headache..this is pure ignorance.

[EricB]

It would be 'hate' if this would be the exception, not the rule. And 'hustling for rebounds and tipping them' while not getting possession of the ball is useless. See Kurt Thomas for a useful rebounder. , Nocioni had more rebounds than Matt tonight. But I guess that considering he's been unable to get more than 3 rebounds a game lately, I should be grateful he got 7 tonight.

How about pointing the hate from Bonner to Drew Gooden.

He was supposedly gonna be the "rebounding saviour" when he was signed.

[EricB]

The backboard isn't lit up even though the shot clock shows 00. Could that be why the refs missed the call?

I see two refs looking to see if his feet are behind the line.

[EricB]

womp womp womp waahhhh.

Man you sound like the teacher from those peanuts cartoons...

[ElNono]

How about pointing the hate from Bonner to Drew Gooden.

He was supposedly gonna be the "rebounding saviour" when he was signed.

He's already averaging more rebounds per minute than Bonner and he only been a Spur for what, 15 games or so? Not only that, he's averaging more points too. He's no saviour, and I said so when we signed him up, but if you don't see the marked improvement in rebounding when he's on the floor, then you're not looking.

[EricB]

He's already averaging more rebounds per minute than Bonner and he only been a Spur for what, 15 games or so? Not only that, he's averaging more points too. He's no saviour, and I said so when we signed him up, but if you don't see the marked improvement in rebounding when he's on the floor, then you're not looking.

Yeah those 1 and 2 rebounding games Goodens had lately have just made the Spurs a rebounding machine.

he had a whopping 5 tonight.

WHEW! WOW.

[ElNono]

Yeah those 1 and 2 rebounding games Goodens had lately have just made the Spurs a rebounding machine.

he had a whopping 5 tonight.

WHEW! WOW.

In 22 minutes... plus 9 points... vs 7 rebounds and 7 points in 34 minutes for Bonner... He was so bad lately that Pop decided to play him in the crunch against Utah...

And BTW, he had 4 rebounds against Utah.... vs 3 for Bonner...

Again, do you watch the games?

[EricB]

In 22 minutes... plus 9 points... vs 7 rebounds and 7 points in 34 minutes for Bonner... He was so bad lately that Pop decided to play him in the crunch against Utah...

And BTW, he had 4 rebounds against Utah.... vs 3 for Bonner...

Again, do you watch the games?

4 whole rebounds.

Knock me over with a feather, just a machine.

[Spursfan092120]

In all seriousness, Drew Gooden is the best big playing next to Timmy since David. He's a guy we can give the ball to when we have no offense. He's one of the only players on our team who can create his own shot. He can work on any defender in the block and get a bucket. If forced to choose, I'd drop Bonner before Gooden before the question even arose...period.

[EricB]

In all seriousness, Drew Gooden is the best big playing next to Timmy since David. He's a guy we can give the ball to when we have no offense. He's one of the only players on our team who can create his own shot. He can work on any defender in the block and get a bucket. If forced to choose, I'd drop Bonner before Gooden before the question even arose...period.

Gooden so far is too ing erratic.

Tonight he looked pathetic on offense.

[Jedicro]

No dribbling...would have been a ball fake. And you really think that with 1.3 seconds, the only shot the Spurs are going to get is a contested 30 foot fadeaway jumper? Come on dude..please..you must have NEVER played the game. No passing either. But we have a lot more time, and a better, more clutch shooter could have gotten a shot off. Bonner is not a clutch shooter. Everyone knew Bonner's shot wasn't going in. He is NOT our clutch shooter. We could have gotten many things. A ball fake and a foul...a better shooter coming off a screen. Please dude...your arguments are giving me a headache..this is pure ignorance.

Pretty much. With the exception of a major defensive lapse we would not have allowed a throw into the interior or an even remotely open look by one of your top players. Look at every single last second play there has ever been, even against poor defensive teams. The ball is passed to somebody way out past the 3 pt line, the defenders close and contest, and the shooter misses it probably 90% of the time. There is no play that can get somebody open in that time outside of a defense meltdown, and if you're argument rests on that or the liklihood of a stupid foul or even a ref calling a foul in that siutation then it's dead in the water.

My rproblem with your argument is that you're assuming you would have gotten a high percentage shot with something as simple as a ball fake or a dribble. If basketball were that easy teams would score 300 points a game. I'm not saying that extra second doesn't make a difference, but what I'm saying is that you wouldn't have gotten a better shot than what you did. The only reason that shot was that open is that we didn't expect Bonner to be the recipient of the pass. Had Mason or Parker or anybody else gotten the ball our defense would have swarmed.

And don't drop the, "I played college ball, and trust me..." junk. That means absolutely nothing. And for someone who played college ball you sure have a pretty simple view of how to get an open shot or the value of high percentage looks versus an impossible shot by a "clutch" shooter.

One more thing, I brought up the Roy thing because Bonner's shot physically took more than .4 seconds. It was closer to .6 or so.

Sorry for long post

[exstatic]

Gooden is a better post option than Bonner, but if you need rebounding, dial 40. Gooden's rebounding rate is about 75% of KT's.

[EricB]

Gooden is a better post option than Bonner, but if you need rebounding, dial 40. Gooden's rebounding rate is about 75% of KT's.

BTW, adding to that, Bonner and Gooden should never be out there together.

Gooden and Duncan should start, then Thomas and Bonner in, then whoever is playing best after that, gets the minutes.

[ElNono]

4 whole rebounds.

Knock me over with a feather, just a machine.

Bonner is the starter... that's what you don't get. He's been with the team 2 years, starting 1 year. Gooden at least has an excuse, he's been around for just a month. Yet, the new guy consistently out-produces the guy that should be acclimated by now. And you can bet I'm gonna call Gooden out if two years from now he puts back to back 3 rebound games in 20+ minutes.

Hustle doesn't mean if you don't get it done. Why do you think we had to go get Gooden at all if Bonner was fitting the bill? He's been a disappointment, and the coaching staff you love to praise pretty much stated so when they were desperate to find another big midway through the season.

[ElNono]

Gooden so far is too ing erratic.

Tonight he looked pathetic on offense.

He barely knows his teammates, what do you expect? Doesn't the Spurs have the largest play book in the league or something like that? What's Bonner excuse?

[EricB]

He barely knows his teammates, what do you expect? Doesn't the Spurs have the largest play book in the league or something like that? What's Bonner excuse?

Yeah that whole dump the ball to him and clear out and let him work really has him stymied.


Whats Bonner's excuse for what on offense?

He's a shooter from the perimiter.

[KidCongo]

Fair is foul, Foul is fair.

[ElNono]

Yeah that whole dump the ball to him and clear out and let him work really has him stymied.

Whats Bonner's excuse for what on offense?

He's a shooter from the perimiter.

Nice. I thought we were talking about ty rebounding...

[Ice009]

What game did I watch?

I watched the game where Bonner was hustling for rebounds tipping them out and busting his ass.

Thats all I said.

Whatever though, keep up the Bonner hate, I'm shocked theres no, "Why is Michael Finley even in uniform" threads.

Are you sure you know who Matt Bonner is? He's not the guy that was wearing number 40 out there.

Matt Bonner was the guy that had the ball bounce out of his hands on rebounds and let his man score on him at will .

I will agree that Matt tried his ass off, but he's still getting too many minutes.

[kace]

why are we even talking about 0.4 and fisher's foul on barry in the same thread as this meaningless bad call on finley's 3 ?

we're comparing PO game (and maybe le) deciding bad calls and meaningless RS game bad call (and not even deciding one since there still would have been an OT to win this game).

the only bad call that could came close in favor of the spurs would be the non-call on bowen last second foul on LBJ in 07. and it wouldn't even be closed to the LA ones because on this serie, we were so obviously better than the cavs that he wouldn't have changed the outcome.

[kobyz]

why are we even talking about 0.4 and fisher's foul on barry in the same thread as this meaningless bad call on finley's 3 ?

we're comparing PO game (and maybe le) deciding bad calls and meaningless RS game bad call (and not even deciding one since there still would have been an OT to win this game).

the only bad call that could came close in favor of the spurs would be the non-call on bowen last second foul on LBJ in 07. and it wouldn't even be closed to the LA ones because on this serie, we were so obviously better than the cavs that he wouldn't have changed the outcome.

the bowen non call was actually bad for the spurs cause that give the cavs opportunity for a three instead of two free throw and they were down by 3!

[kace]

the bowen non call was actually bad for the spurs cause that give the cavs opportunity for a three instead of two free throw and they were down by 3!

could have been 3 FT

[kobyz]

could have been 3 FT

not at all, the foul was before the shot

[kace]

not at all, the foul was before the shot

i've seen dozens of these fouls, who began before the shot, still classified as shooting foul, especially with a superstar like LBJ. i even remember some columnist (bspn i think) claiming it should have been 3 FT.


so, COULD have been 3 FT, IMHO. we've seen worse.

anyway, recently, that's the only bad call in favor of the spurs that i can remember comparable to the LA's ones (i mean with some consequence, in PO, late in the game....).