have the Duncan-era Spurs ever had as big a ballhog as Gooden?

[Manufan909]

You have to hate it when a guy shooting close to 50% takes shots. Especially when he gets to the line about 3.5 times as often (per minute) as Mason, and nearly 6 times as often as Finley. And of the shots he's taken, probably a third have been tips and put-backs when he was cleaning up behind other people under the rim.

I mean, he really is screwing us, isn't he?

Nothing left to say, kori should lock the thread.

[Spursfan092120]

i was just about to come on here and ask why the some of you people DON'T want Gooden back next year.

in 10 minutes he has 10 boards and 11 points. some of you people are morons. the guy can play.

[Spursfan092120]

Nothing left to say, kori should lock the thread.

[Indazone]

Cool now the Spurs have their version of our Artest.

[Baseline]

You'd rather him pass the ball to Udoka?

Udoka is a bigger ballhog than Gooden. Udoka shoots less than 40% from the field. Know what that means? He shouldn't be shooting, that's what.

With Manu out, Gooden needs to score. Period.

[sabar]

As good as he is, yes, he is a ball hog. And yes, it will come back and bite us sooner or later.

[DAF86]

Cool now the Spurs have their version of our Artest.

The difference is that Gooden is a somewhat decent offensive player.

[Russ]

Think of every shot Gooden makes in this game as one more minute Duncan can sit.

[GSH]

This has to be about the silliest ing discussion ever. As long as the guy keeps shooting around 50%, and gets to the line nearly as often as Duncan on a per-36 basis, I'd let him shoot it 30 times per night.

Those trips to the line are something this team has needed desperately, too. Every one of those whistles is one that they can't use on Duncan. They help get the other teams into the penalty. Getting to the line is a way to crawl back into a game when you're struggling, and it can give you an opportunity to win a game late in the 4th, when you're behind.

Exactly what the do you guys want? A guy who can put points on the board without taking shots? Or maybe he should just defer to one of the guys we have shooting 70% from the floor?

[Spursfan092120]

This has to be about the silliest ing discussion ever. As long as the guy keeps shooting around 50%, and gets to the line nearly as often as Duncan on a per-36 basis, I'd let him shoot it 30 times per night.

Those trips to the line are something this team has needed desperately, too. Every one of those whistles is one that they can't use on Duncan. They help get the other teams into the penalty. Getting to the line is a way to crawl back into a game when you're struggling, and it can give you an opportunity to win a game late in the 4th, when you're behind.

Exactly what the do you guys want? A guy who can put points on the board without taking shots? Or maybe he should just defer to one of the guys we have shooting 70% from the floor?

agreed...that's why I jumped on the OP right away..stupid thread.

[DAF86]

This has to be about the silliest ing discussion ever. As long as the guy keeps shooting around 50%, and gets to the line nearly as often as Duncan on a per-36 basis, I'd let him shoot it 30 times per night.

Those trips to the line are something this team has needed desperately, too. Every one of those whistles is one that they can't use on Duncan. They help get the other teams into the penalty. Getting to the line is a way to crawl back into a game when you're struggling, and it can give you an opportunity to win a game late in the 4th, when you're behind.

Exactly what the do you guys want? A guy who can put points on the board without taking shots? Or maybe he should just defer to one of the guys we have shooting 70% from the floor?

Pass it to Mason you ballhog

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=290413009

[SouthTexasRancher]

i think no, simply b/c Tim wouldn't be having that. For some reason, Drew "black hole" Gooden hasn't been delivered the message yet.

You know you'd be better off sticking with commenting on the local Tiddley Winks matches because when it comes to analysis of basketball players you stink!

I guess you think that points will just drop down out of the clouds now that Manu is out. Yes sir, you are a real brainiac!

[Spursfan092120]

20 pts. and 15 reb. with still 7:00 to go in the game..can we PLEASE cut this guy? lol...

[Russ]

This has to be about the silliest ing discussion ever. As long as the guy keeps shooting around 50%, and gets to the line nearly as often as Duncan on a per-36 basis, I'd let him shoot it 30 times per night.

Those trips to the line are something this team has needed desperately, too. Every one of those whistles is one that they can't use on Duncan. They help get the other teams into the penalty. Getting to the line is a way to crawl back into a game when you're struggling, and it can give you an opportunity to win a game late in the 4th, when you're behind.

Exactly what the do you guys want? A guy who can put points on the board without taking shots? Or maybe he should just defer to one of the guys we have shooting 70% from the floor?

Spurs fans are so used to watching offensively challenged players, anyone who isn't must be a troublemaker.

[Spursfan092120]

Spurs fans are so used to watching offensively challenged players, anyone who isn't must be a troublemaker.

LMAO..that and dunkers...anyone with hops is breaking the rules...lol

[spursnatic]

Hey, as long as he is hitting his shots and we are getting W's..Ballhog all you want Gooden?...And to me seeing this game, it doesn't really seem as if he is ballhogging? Just everytime he gets it he is scoring!!!Good job tonight Drew!!!!

[Solid D]

Bench scoring and rebounding is what the Spurs sorely need. Gooden brings that.

Malik Rose was called the "black hole" by his teammates but he still helped the Spurs win a couple of championships coming off the bench at the 4 and 5 spots.

[SouthTexasRancher]

i think no, simply b/c Tim wouldn't be having that. For some reason, Drew "black hole" Gooden hasn't been delivered the message yet.

Yeah lets release Gooden after the terrible performance he had again tonight. We just can't keep a new pickup late in the season who can give us 20 points and 15 rebounds! Off with his head!

Like I said, itzsoweezee, stick to Tiddley Winks because you don't know crap'ola about basketball.

[Juanobili]

i don't see gooden as a ballhog at all. That would be like calling manu or tony ballhogs. Drew gooden is the first scoring option on the second unit. He's a good scorer. He's shooting 48%, and with our injuries, we don't have a lot of scorers off the bench. The guy is playing well...damn. We about not having another scorer... that no one's going to step up with manu out. We finally get someone to do it, and someone starts a stupid ass thread about him being a ballhog... , what do you want?

+1

[anonoftheinternets]

This has to be about the silliest ing discussion ever. As long as the guy keeps shooting around 50%, and gets to the line nearly as often as Duncan on a per-36 basis, I'd let him shoot it 30 times per night.

Those trips to the line are something this team has needed desperately, too. Every one of those whistles is one that they can't use on Duncan. They help get the other teams into the penalty. Getting to the line is a way to crawl back into a game when you're struggling, and it can give you an opportunity to win a game late in the 4th, when you're behind.

Exactly what the do you guys want? A guy who can put points on the board without taking shots? Or maybe he should just defer to one of the guys we have shooting 70% from the floor?

How abt taking the blinders off this guy is an nba starting power forwrd who played AGAINST duncan, of course playin in the second unit with the other spurs (udoka, vaughn blah blah) hes going to look like a superstar out there and he shud be taking shots. That was not the point, point is "is he a black hole or not" std answer from most ppl in the thread: LOLOLOL HE SHOOTS 50% ... no one is denying he shud keep shooting, but he is a black hole unless uve never seen him on other teams before. And also forget about him coming back to play second fiddle, im sure he feels he can be a starter elsewhere, and frankly i thnk so too.


also spurs team is going to look a lot better than this next year, we may not want a second post guy who wants teh ball and wants to shoot, we need role players to fit around our stars. And if you think Gooden can be that star, either u hav not looked at the salary cap, or are verry verrry optimistic.

so for this year we need a ball hog who shoots the ball and creates offense for the second unit. But doesnt change the fact aht hes a ball hog. Which is waht the OP apparently was pointing out.

[Thomas82]

Yeah...but I will say Drew is looking a LOT better on defense this year than he has in the past..

That's what playing for the Spurs will do for you.

[Chris]

anonoftheinternets = itsoweezee?

[BOHOLANO#21]

anonoftheinternets = itsoweezee?

yup. both are idiots.

[anonoftheinternets]

yup. both are idiots.

good points, i totally see how u used "science" to prove your point.

(i can already see ur reply: LOLOLOL WHO NEEDS SCINCE U ARE AN IDIOT ... LOLOLOL drool ....)

[GSH]

but he is a black hole unless uve never seen him on other teams before.

So Gooden was a ball hog when he played for other teams, too, huh? Over his career, he has averaged 13 FGA per 36 minutes. Does that make him a career ball hog? Let's see...

-Roger Mason has averaged 12 FGA per 36 minutes with the Spurs, and about the same for his career.
-Hedo Turkoglu put up 11.2 FGA per 36 when he played here, and 12.86 for his career.
-During the time Sean Marks was with the Spurs, he averaged 12.7 FGA per 36 minutes.
-His first year with the Spurs, Rasho averaged almost 10 FGA per 36 minutes, and people complained that he deferred to Tim too much, and needed to shoot more.
-Devin Brown put up 11.7 FGA per 36 when he was with the Spurs.
-Since Finley has been with the Spurs, he's averaged 12 FGA per 36 minutes. Even allowing for the fact that a lot of his shots are 3's, his effective FG% with the Spurs has been about the same as Gooden's career average.
-When Sean Marks was with the Spurs, he averaged 12.79 FGA per 36.

Damn, it looks like nearly everybody who plays for the Spurs is a ball hog, except for Rasho who didn't shoot enough. Or maybe it's just that you don't know what the you're talking about. Over his career, Gooden has shot the ball just about as often as you would expect from a guy who was #4 in the draft, scores well inside, and gets a bunch of trips to the line. Would you rather have Gooden shooting 13 times, or Rasho shooting 10?

Now... maybe you just don't care that Gooden gets to the line a lot more than any of those other guys. Or maybe you don't value all the rebounds he gets. Maybe you really think that he is a worse defender than Finley, or Mason, or Hedo. Or maybe you just had a thing for Sean Marks' curls. But since you don't want to admit to any of those things publicly, you decided to call him a ball hog? Whatever your reason, you're wrong.