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Don't forget Gooden shoots somewhere around 85% from the FT line, too.
I didn't realize Gooden's footwork was so good around the basket. I always pictured him as sort of a poor-man's Carlos Boozer. However, that's a big understatement. He's at least on par with Boozer. His production is better than all the other backup bigmen combined. The Spurs would be big fools not to resign him for next year.
Don't forget Gooden shoots somewhere around 85% from the FT line, too.
have the duncan-era spurs ever had a post scoring big like gooden?
Ballhog?
You want Udoka taking shots instead?
How about Bonner for another brick???
Jesus
that's the thing that annoys me..who do people want taking shots instead of Gooden?..
Keep shooting the ball Gooden!
Hilarious. We finally get some offensive minded player that can score the ball in ways we need yet I see this thread on Spurstalk. The shock has dulled long before now in reality.
Someone has to pick up the scoring load, good on Gooden for doing it
If we want a fighting chance in the playoffs, he needs to score as much as he can and that means he needs to shoot the ing ball. Without Manu, who else is going to do it? Oberto, Bonner, and Thomas? Gooden is the best post-up player we've ever had outside of the Duncan. We should just be happy that he's contributing and giving us solid numbers
As long as Drew is doing what the team needs him to do, its all fine with me. What more can you ask for from the guy 20 pts. 15 rebs, when was the last time the Spurs have that contributor in the 4 or 5 position other than Tim Duncan
For now it's OK, but for certain he better know where to move the ball come playoff times. If he's 1 dimensional that will get shut down real quick.
Just mentioning he's a 'ball hog' isn't grounds for such widespread rebuke, you guys get ruffled at the silliest things. The reason people are timid to voice an opinion is because a bunch of donkeys are ready with the dung and insults.
Anyway, his production in this game against the Warriors... does not change the fact that when he touches the ball it's almost guaranteed he's shooting it, open man be damned. Naturally this is a product of his limited knowledge of the offense, so in the spirit of keeping it simple.. Shoot the ball Gooden!
But sometimes it would be better for him to kick it out, especially if he's being smothered, to keep the defense honest and to get the other fellas on the 2nd unit involved and ready to shoot. We're going to need contributions from everyone, so it would behoove the Spurs in general to play team ball and not try to force too many shots.
Trust your teammates right. If you're in a groove though, you are en led to a few questionable offensive possessions. Overall I'm pleased with what Gooden has done.
Words have meaning. "Ball hog" means someone who shoots too much, to the detriment of the team. When you say something that can't be backed up by facts, you should probably expect a rebuke. It's hard to argue that Gooden is a ball hog, based on the number or frequency of shots he is taking. And, given his FG%, it's hard to make a case that those shots should be going somewhere else. With Tim hobbled, the Spurs were in desperate need of a low post presence. Gooden is providing that. Why look for something to about?
If he has a mis-match, close to the basket, he should damned well be taking the shot and, yes, "open man be damned". Especially when that open man is Michael Finley, on a night when he is 0-for-everything. Your point that a one-dimensional player will get picked off against playoff opponents is accurate enough, but that statement doesn't mean that Gooden is a ball hog. And he's been around the league long enough for the scouts to have figured out how to shut him down, if that could be done easily.
I agree that passing out of the double team is a good skill, and that he will improve that as he gets more time in with the team. But even when he went 2-9 against Sacramento last game, he shot 9 FT's in 22 minutes. That's a pace of almost 15 per 36 minutes! That will absolutely wear a team out. If a guy can do that, you need him shooting the ball - even on nights when he goes 2-9 from the floor.
He's new to the team and the system. And there is always room for improvement, whether it's defensive rotations or passing out of a double team. But I'm sorry... he hasn't been a ball hog. Here or anywhere else.
I cannot believe someone began this thread. What would people want, for Drew not to get 20 and 15 off the bench? Gooden's been consistently very effective from the 4/5 position during his short tenure with the Spurs and, if San Antonio has any chance of beating anybody in the playoffs they should hope that Gooden achieves 20 and 15 in every playoff game. He is a legitimate low post scoring threat that I don't believe the Spurs have ever had during the reign of Tim not including David. The Spurs are extremely fortunate to have acquired him.
gooden is pretty goddamn good
Lmfao, he had a line of 20/15 on 7/12 from the field and 6-8 from the line and people are complaining?
Its clear that you havent watched much of him
The numbers are nice and we need his production ...but make no mistake, he disrupts the general flow of the offense and breaks too many plays.
he really doesn't break the flow.. , what flow?! there is no flow of the offense in the 2nd unit without Manu..Gooden IS the flow..
I have NOT seen Gooden hog the ball and disrupt the offense when Parker and/or Duncan are on the floor..so it really isn't a concern..
when it comes to the 2nd unit, he IS the offense..I can give a about Ime Udoka getting shots..
I haven't seen ANYBODY lose their offense because of Gooden..at least not the reliable parts of our team..
Kurt Thomas is still getting his usual amount of open mid-range Js, which he makes consistently..Bowen is still getting his 1 or 2 open Js on the baseline, which he makes consistently..Ime still takes more shots than he can actually make..Finley, Mason, and Bonner are still taking a good amount of open 3s..
who is losing out on this?..
if Gooden doesn't have the ball in his hands, our 2nd unit won't get a good shot..the defense won't respect anybody else when they have the ball in their hands, because none of them are a threat to make a play..
Eh, get used to it.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=88536
by creating open looks and taking quality shots?
This thread is ridiculously stupid... Rock Chalk Jayhawk!
Exactly. Im glad to have somebody in the second unit that knows how to put the ball in the basketball
I don't see Gooden as a ballhog at all. That would be like calling Manu or Tony ballhogs. Drew Gooden is the first scoring option on the second unit. He's a good scorer. He's shooting 48%, and with our injuries, we don't have a lot of scorers off the bench. The guy is playing well...damn. We about not having another scorer... that no one's going to step up with Manu out. We finally get someone to do it, and someone starts a stupid ass thread about him being a ballhog... , what do you want?
The second unit 'offensive flow' before Gooden got here could be resumed in a single play: Roger Mason playing pick n roll with Kurt. If the big doesn't hedges, Rogers gets the money jumper. If the big does hedges, then Kurt has a jumper. If the defense rotates to Kurt, then you end up with either Kurt passing back to Roger and starting again, or passing to the corner to whoever rotated to cover him (Udoka/Bowen mostly). Notice how none of the scenarios involve anything but taking a jumpshot that we basically can't get an offensive rebound on (because Thomas, our best rebounder, is implicitly outside of the paint), doesn't involve taking a high percentage shot (no points in the paint, basically), and doesn't involve getting anybody to the line. It's no surprise the Spurs have one of the lowest free throws attempted rating among all teams.
With Gooden out there we have a more balanced and Spurs-like inside-out offense. He can post up and score or draw a foul. He can pass out of the post. He can also grab offensive boards if we decide to go for a jumper. And if he's dominating in the post (like he did in a few games recently), it spaces the floor even better for our shooters. Now, if you expect him to do all these things with the same efficiency as, say, Tim Duncan, then you're setting yourself up for disappointment. But there's no denying that he adds a new dimension to our second unit, and that his 'average' outing is well above whatever else our other bigs could provide.
He's definitely an improvement. Is he the 'saviour'? No. Does he makes our second unit better? Absolutely.
I don't understand that either.
It's impossible to understand what goes on in the mind of the mentally challenged.
Gooden is putting points on the board Manu would have put up and nailing some nice shots. If you have the shot... take it or else Pop will bench you. Ask Bonner all about that. I don't see Gooden as a ballhog at all, he's got confidence going to the rim and is nailing a lot of his shots and putting big points on the score board and you're complaining?
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