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get real.
Study of the effects on employment of public aid to renewable energy sources
http://www.juandemariana.org/pdf/090...-renewable.pdf
get real.
Spain is the case study.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_de_Mariana
Juan de Mariana (1536, Talavera, Toledo, Spain - February 17, 1624, Madrid, Spain), was a Spanish Jesuit priest, historian, member of the Monarchomachs.
He studied at the Complutense University of Alcalá de Henares, and was admitted at the age of seventeen into the Society of Jesus. In 1561 he went to teach theology in Rome, reckoning among his pupils Robert Bellarmine, afterwards cardinal; then passed into Sicily; and in 1569 he was sent to Paris, where his expositions of the writings of Thomas Aquinas attracted large audiences. In 1574, owing to ill health, he obtained permission to return to Spain; the rest of his life being passed at the Jesuits' house in Toledo in vigorous literary activity.
Mariana's great work, Historiae de rebus Hispaniae, first appeared in twenty books at Toledo in 1592; ten books were subsequently added (1605), bringing the work down to the accession of Charles V in 1519, and in a still later abstract of events the author completed it to the accession of Philip IV in 1621. It was so well received that Mariana was induced to translate it into Spanish (the first part in 1601; completed, 1609; English translation by J. Stevens, 1699).
Mariana's Historiae, though in many parts uncritical, is justly esteemed for its research, accuracy, sagacity and style. Of his other works the most interesting is the treatise De rege et regis ins utione (Toledo, 1598). In its sixth chapter the question whether it is lawful to overthrow a tyrant is freely discussed and answered in the affirmative, a cir stance which brought much odium upon the Jesuits, especially after the assassination of Henry IV of France, in 1610. A volume en led Tractatus VII. theologici et historici(published by Mariana at Cologne, in 1609, containing in particular a tract, De morte et immortalitate, and another, De mutatione monetae) was put upon the Index Expurgatorius, and led to the confinement of its author by the Inquisition. During his confinement there was found among his papers a criticism upon the Jesuits, which was printed after his death as Discursus de erroribus qui in forma gubernationis societatis Jesu occurrunt (Bordeaux, 1625), and was reprinted by order of Charles III when he banished the Jesuits from Spain.
and whottt wants to nuke spain.
so does it matter?
It's a 51 page study. Did you read it already?
I didn't.
Did you, Darrin?
Have you read Nock?
no. i did read several pages.
it's not a "home field" study.
now....if there is one do enting the making of russian vodka...i'm in.
I haven't finished reading it yet.
it's going to be hard to complete if you keep posting in other threads.
you should look to congress. they did 1073 pages in 9 hours.
Interesting.It is not possible to directly translate Spain’s experience with similar exac ude or
confidence, and claim that the U.S. should expect a loss of from 6.6 million to eleven
million jobs as a direct consequence were the promise to create 3 to 5 million “green
jobs” met (in addition to the jobs lost due to the opportunity cost of private capital
employed in renewable energy), although the study clearly reveals that if President
Obama would dedicate the massive resources needed to create those 3 to 5 million
jobs, the U.S. should certainly expect its results to follow such a tendency.
Spain very heavily susidized renewables, and it turns out that the most inefficient renewable, was small utility-scale photovoltaic.
A bunch of people overbuilt small scale photovotaic (small size utility plants) and the resultant waste of resources destroyed capital that presumedly would have been used elsewhere.
41 pages actually. I just finished it.
Not a super-thorough, absorb it all, but a good once through.
Albert Jay?
No.
Recommend?
Correct.
Yes. More of the Buckley line of classical liberal/anti-statist thought than the Limbaugh line. The reason I asked is that he was well versed with the history and intellectuals of the Medieval and Enlightenment times (though also just as well with the ancient historical record). Kinda seems like someone you'd enjoy.No.
Recommend?
I'm not not really versed, well or otherwise, in anything, but I do read widely.
If you have a particular recommendation I'd be grateful for it.
Since this is a bit off topic, I'll PM.
It does offer a good, concrete example of real-world experience.
Fair reasons why it can't be 100% iron-clad applied to the US:
1) US has a different profile and capacity for renewables.
--Generally farther south (think solar photovoltaic), and larger area providing a larger amount of more economically viable locations for all kinds of renewables considered in the report.
2) Report did not consider thermal solar, a newer technology promising some very good efficiency gains.
--Energy storage provided by thermal solar makes it MUCH more cost-compe ive.
3) Spain's renewable model, especially for solar photovoltaic, differs somewhat from many US proposals.
--Small to medium scale utility generation in Spain differs from much of the more distributed models proposed in the US where roof-top panels provide power.
4) One cannot directly assume future efficiency of photovoltaic will be similar to past.
--Technology gains that improve efficiency and lower cost of installed capacity would mitigate such losses. Most of the losses in the report stemmed from photovoltaic sources. Wind and small-scale water power were MUCH more efficient.
5) One cannot specifically apply the model if the costs of other forms of energy are changing as well.
--If, say coal gets more expensive comparatively, because the Chinese consumption of coal skyrockets due to electrical capacity installation, then the installed solar and wind capacity actually might prevent job losses. Beware the "all other things equal" assumptions!
Good things about report:
It did generally jive with the overall economic compe iveness of various forms of power generation. Namely photovoltaic, as it stands now, is simply not that economically compe ive for utility-scale power production.
Like any other compe ive technology, a gain in market share by one sector is probably a loss in another. There are probably fewer people working in music stores with the advent of MP3 and P2P networks. Likewise, there are probably fewer people working at video rental stores with Netflix and DVD kiosks.
which Stan Lee do you prefer? 'Man of Iron' or 'Men of X'?
Has Cap & Trade worked for countries overseas?
And by "Worked" I mean other than allowing Governments to steal money.
Why don't you teach us if you know so much about it?
What about now?
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