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If the Libs want to live in their ivory towers and believe the world is a beautiful place, that's great.
But stfu and let men fight fire with fire.
A ing caterpillar? Waterboarding? Seriously, stfu.
According to this CNN article http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/...nts/index.html, we've approved
Using insects to scare someone with a phobia of insects
Nudity and wearing diapers
Sleep deprivation
Waterboarding
Now, these seem to fall into two categories for me. A "disrespecting" category, and a "threatening" category.
I'm not sure which I find worse. Let's see what George Washington had to say about detainment:
Should any American soldier be so base and infamous as to injure any [prisoner]. . . I do most earnestly enjoin you to bring him to such severe and exemplary punishment as the enormity of the crime may require. Should it extend to death itself, it will not be disproportional to its guilt at such a time and in such a cause… for by such conduct they bring shame, disgrace and ruin to themselves and their country.” - George Washington, charge to the Northern Expeditionary Force, Sept. 14, 1775
And another quote...
“‘Treat them with humanity, and let them have no reason to complain of our copying the brutal example of the British Army in their treatment of our unfortunate brethren who have fallen into their hands".
Does anyone think that the example put forth by the US today would be approved of by Washington? Do you think Washington was limiting his treatment of prisoners to the British because they were legal combatants?
If the Libs want to live in their ivory towers and believe the world is a beautiful place, that's great.
But stfu and let men fight fire with fire.
A ing caterpillar? Waterboarding? Seriously, stfu.
And Washington would be disgusted with this Country even though he was a Federalist; so I could really care less what he thought of present day watered down torture.
So, do you think that authorizing such treatments does nothing to help the enemy's recruitment efforts?
I don't care.
These boys and men are free to join whatever they want.
Thank goodness the country has taken a turn away from the mindset if we do immoral things it is okay because we are morally superior. The neo-cons would love to convert the US into a fascist state. For the time being Bush and co screwed things up so badly that it will be a long time, if ever, before the neo-cons can claw their way back to power.
Do you not care about preventing/frustrating Al Qaeda's recruitment? Why are you against America? lol
what an unchristian like mindset.
Washington, at least, exhibited restraint of a kind uncommonly shown by today's political "leaders."
Then why are you posting about it?
Cheney/24 fantasies aside, I prefer America's keeping the moral high ground.
These guys are very familiar with their own chopping off heads on video.
Chopping.
Off.
Heads.
If the last straw is seeing their own being deprived of sleep, having to be close to bugs, loud music, waterboarding, etc....logical thinking would tell me they were pretty damn close to the edge in being recruited already.
So confident in your analysis you remain completely blind to the control grab by the equally as dangerous far-left.
I'm still waiting for Obama to pull all U.S. forces out from over 100 countries and end the completely pointless "war" in Afghan/Iraq.
Because I am. What do you care?
Because I do.
It's pretty apparent you do too.
No, I just get annoyed by you pussies crying about caterpillars when U.S. soldiers & contractor profiteer's heads are getting Duncan McLeod'd.
You all live in a fairy tale thinking these types of people respect moral objectivity.
Of course you could care less. You hate America; it only makes sense that you'd hate the rational of its founders.
And you're a bigot.
You repeat the handbook very well.
It's not the head choppers hearts and minds we are talking about. We can't expect you to make any distinction.
When s like yourself want to remove one of the best weapons in our arsenal, namely moral authority, it pisses me off immensely.
"Dur dee dur, torture is for *real* men, and if we don't do it teh terrorists win."
When morons like yourself can't tell the difference between the real world of intelligence gathering and the Hollywood movies that they think pass for reality, you cease becoming idiots and become dangerous idiots.
Dangerous, because torture of anybody in our custody boomerangs on us sooner or later.
If you don't think so, then you should venture out into the real world, visit a jihadi website on occasion, and see how the pictures of Abu Gharaib are used to recruit new jihadis.
If you dont' think so, then ask ANY soldier about whether or not we should torture. THEY are the ones who would ultimately bear the reduction in standards, should they be captured. Just about every soldier I have ever talked to, as well as my own personal feelings on the matter jive with this.
Sure the idiots we are fighting will chop off heads, and do all sorts of nasty things.
What intellectual midgets such as yourself just can't wrap your tiny brains around, is that such horrific videos tend to turn people off to their cause, and be an hetical.
Just as our torture turns people off to our cause.
You ing dangerous moron.
Ok Chump - you can keep the moral high ground while they're chopping off your head for no other reason than you're an American.
Me - I'll take whatever means necessary to get the information necessary to prevent another 9/11. And they don't need pictures of Abu Gharib to recruit - these kids are taught from very early ages to hate the infidel and that to die for jihad is a noble calling.
The highly abstract tone and globalized attribution of fact in #20 prevent any keen analysis of the claims made there.
They bad. Us good. We do bad things to them? They did bad things to us! They deserve it!
Like chopping their heads off for no other reason than they are Muslim, right?
See, that's where you expose yourself as a moronic simpleton.And they don't need pictures of Abu Gharib to recruit - these kids are taught from very early ages to hate the infidel and that to die for jihad is a noble calling.
The jihadis are not the hearts and minds we are trying to affect here.
You're too stupid to realize your idiotic, xenophobic "all Muslims are taught to chop our heads off" mentality for what it is.
Congratulations, you have moved from the simple idiot category to the dangerous idiot category.
The people who cut off heads will do so whether or not we torture people.
The people who we *can* influence, will either be less inclined to help us, or more inclined to join the jihadis.
Despite what you have been told, not all muslims are jihadis. If you really think that is the case, then tell me, so I can stop bothering with you. If you think this, then you have been watching too many movies.
The people we need to influence are the fence sitters and potential recruits who don't hate us. The border guard who might suspect that a passport is fake, but declines to act. THAT is who we influence, not the current jihadis.
It is people like you who truly don't understand the nature of the conflict we are fighting and advocate things like this that act against our best long term interests.
Al Qaeda recruits new jihadis and sympathizers by making them beleive we are evil.
How does torturing people fight the idea that we are evil?
It's an insane pissing contest. *Their* sadism and inhumanity apparently obligate our own.
If you focus too closely on the evil you're fighting, you are liable to take on the qualities you hate *them* for. Friends become alienated, potential friends grow wary, and our bad conduct proves in the minds of our enemies the justice of their own cause.
Why do you think this admin released that memo?
Transparency?
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