Duncan: 1 FTA

[Horse]

Now Bonner should'nt have played Tony should'nt have made a personal one on one game out of tonight and we shoulda played D in the second half. But 1 FTA on 24 shots, You just can't argue against that.

[duncan228]

Duncan did deserve some calls he didn't get. But he didn't let it get to him. He played through it. That's a good sign.

[Horse]

Look, we've won 4 les by playing that brand of basketball. When we used Bruce to body up perimeter players, other teams' fans used to complain about it.

The point is that the Mavs were at least playing physical D and challenging the refs to call some borderline fouls, which the refs didn't. And guess what, the refs usually let them play in the post-season, and call fewer fouls. That's why tougher defensive teams usually beat the finesse teams. The Mavs simply took advantage of this well-known trend. We on the other hand let the Mavs get easy look after easy look and putback after putback.

We didn't deserve to win this.

That may be true but bums like dampier don't get this treatment. Bowen is all-defense year after year. Why is dampier even in the league I don't know. dirk got his calls give Timmy the proven champion his.

[ploto]

There was not disparity in the foul shots. The Mavs took 17 FT's to the Spurs 12, but 4 were intentional at the end. Before that, Dallas had 13 and the Spurs 12. It's play-off basketball, and refs tend to let them play.

[mavs>spurs2]

There was not disparity in the foul shots. The Mavs took 17 FT's to the Spurs 12, but 4 were intentional at the end. Before that, Dallas had 13 and the Spurs 12. It's play-off basketball, and refs tend to let them play.

You, EricB, and others deserve some serious props tonight. The others..not so much. Personally I thought it was a great hard fought game, better than what I'm used to seeing in the first round. Overall I was satisfied, win or lose

[zepn]

the refs didn't cause the Spurs to blow layups, give up offensive boards or forget how to play defense.

Not that same old tired indefensible bull argument again...
- And I'm not just talking about "samikeyp" here. -

Yes the Spurs could have played better.
But the Refs ALSO sucked.

THESE ARE TWO INDEPENDENT EVENTS YOU ING MORONS.

If someone wants to call out the refs and any of you stupid s says "it doesn't matter because the Spurs didn't make every shot" or anything remotely as ing stupid - just STFU and leave the planet until you get a goddamn brain.

Or at least read a ing book on argumentative fallacy (look it up).

Pink my ass if you want, but I'm ing tired of this particular brand of idiocy.

[Obstructed_View]

Whining about the refs when Dirk had 3 fouls in the first half.

Sweetie, Dirk had at least seven clear fouls in the first half, and only got called for two of them. The other one was that bull charging call Finley drew.

[Obstructed_View]

There was not disparity in the foul shots. The Mavs took 17 FT's to the Spurs 12, but 4 were intentional at the end. Before that, Dallas had 13 and the Spurs 12. It's play-off basketball, and refs tend to let them play.

See thread le, dear. The Mavs shot jumpers the entire night thanks to snowplow screens. The Spurs went into the paint and got mauled.

[braeden0613]

Tim wasn't getting any calls...but the rotations and miserable defense is what killed us.

[zepn]

And as far as "You're not gonna get that call"/"The refs let them play" "at the end of the games"/"in the playoffs", Manu circa 2006 would like to have a word with you.

[Rogbok]

Look, I do agree that there was some obviously blown calls in Dallas' favor, but that was definitely not what cost us this game IMO.

[mavs>spurs2]

See thread le, dear. The Mavs shot jumpers the entire night thanks to snowplow screens. The Spurs went into the paint and got mauled.

I think your View was Obstructed

JJB and Damp played some great D on you guy's biggest 2 weapons. It was a physical game from both sides, hard fought and exciting, just the game I want to see as a fan.

[Obstructed_View]

I think your View was Obstructed

JJB and Damp played some great D on you guy's biggest 2 weapons. It was a physical game from both sides, hard fought and exciting, just the game I want to see as a fan.

A game where your team gets all the calls despite not being aggressive? Of course that's the game you want to see. Barea drawing charges wasn't what bothered me, it was the moving screens and the non-calls. There's a reason the Spurs are dead last in the league at free throw attempts, but it has nothing to do with their aggressiveness or ability to draw fouls. You can suggest that there are other reasons the Spurs lost, but the absolute raping they got by the refs certainly didn't help.

[Ghazi]

My eyes tell me Duncan deserved FT's a few times but didn't get them.

But the refs did not decide this game.

You wanna see a game decided by refs look at games 3, 5, and 6 of the 2006 NBA Finals.

[Borosai]

The refs buying Barea's flops was really unacceptable. They weren't even good flops. It's an insult to all the talented floppers out there.

[mavs>spurs2]

A game where your team gets all the calls despite not being aggressive? Of course that's the game you want to see. Barea drawing charges wasn't what bothered me, it was the moving screens and the non-calls. There's a reason the Spurs are dead last in the league at free throw attempts, but it has nothing to do with their aggressiveness or ability to draw fouls. You can suggest that there are other reasons the Spurs lost, but the absolute raping they got by the refs certainly didn't help.

We were agressive at times. JJ was driving and dishing or driving and scoring. And we only shot 17 free throws. To me it looked like Tony faded down the stretch, Dampier did a great job on Duncan, and the Mavs had some unlikely heroes step up. But what interests me most is this:

"There's a reason the Spurs are dead last in the league at free throw attempts, but it has nothing to do with their aggressiveness or ability to draw fouls."

Please, tell me you're not saying what I think you're saying. You're better than that. Tim wouldn't say something like that

[Spurs Brazil]

My eyes tell me Duncan deserved FT's a few times but didn't get them.

But the refs did not decide this game.

You wanna see a game decided by refs look at games 3, 5, and 6 of the 2006 NBA Finals.

Or the games 2, 3 and 4 of the 2006 West Semi Finals

[Ghazi]

So we agree the refs did not decide this outcome.

Lets give our ing boys in blue some credit.

[Obstructed_View]

Please, tell me you're not saying what I think you're saying. You're better than that. Tim wouldn't say something like that

It wasn't really what I meant at the time, but now that I think about it, how would you explain it? The Spurs were aggressive as long as I watched the game, and the refs just absolutely swallowed their whistles. , the ball bounced out of bounds at the end of the first quarter with a second left, but the refs just said the quarter was over. The Mavs were allowed to hack and shove and make room with absolutely no penalty whatsoever. I know Pop's an idiot, and I know the Spurs' lineups are , but there's nothing I can do about that. Fact is, if the Spurs were getting even the same calls the Mavs were getting, the game probably would have been out of reach by the time Pop started ing up. I know that Parker and Duncan wouldn't have "faded down the stretch" which really means that they stopped bothering to go inside because they knew they weren't going to get calls when they got hit.

[Spurs Brazil]

So we agree the refs did not decide this outcome.

Lets give our ing boys in blue some credit.

I agree

[ploto]

See thread le, dear. The Mavs shot jumpers the entire night thanks to snowplow screens. The Spurs went into the paint and got mauled.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/shotch...meId=290418024
Duncan shot more than half his shots outside the paint.

[mavs>spurs2]

It wasn't really what I meant at the time, but now that I think about it, how would you explain it? The Spurs were aggressive as long as I watched the game, and the refs just absolutely swallowed their whistles. , the ball bounced out of bounds at the end of the first quarter with a second left, but the refs just said the quarter was over. The Mavs were allowed to hack and shove and make room with absolutely no penalty whatsoever. I know Pop's an idiot, and I know the Spurs' lineups are , but there's nothing I can do about that. Fact is, if the Spurs were getting even the same calls the Mavs were getting, the game probably would have been out of reach by the time Pop started ing up. I know that Parker and Duncan wouldn't have "faded down the stretch" which really means that they stopped bothering to go inside because they knew they weren't going to get calls when they got hit.

Duncan got hit some, but what can I say, it's a big man's game down in the paint, and Tim initiates alot of that contact. I agree there were some iffy calls pertaining to Tim, like the "block" where he got shoved into the first row. I also thought he should have gotten an and 1 off a turnaround hook on the block where he got knocked down. But overall, it just didn't look all that horrendous from an officiating standpoint. They let the players play, and guys got hit on both sides. Tony couldn't have been getting hacked or hit too badly, at least not in the first half when he was killing us. He was getting to every spot on the court that he wanted, every time he wanted. If we don't find a better way to check him then we might run into some trouble.

[Obstructed_View]

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/shotch...meId=290418024
Duncan shot more than half his shots outside the paint.

He had 24 shots, and shot ten of them from outside the paint, seven of those in the second half when he realized he wasn't going to get any calls.

[Obstructed_View]

Duncan got hit some, but what can I say, it's a big man's game down in the paint, and Tim initiates alot of that contact. I agree there were some iffy calls pertaining to Tim, like the "block" where he got shoved into the first row. I also thought he should have gotten an and 1 off a turnaround hook on the block where he got knocked down. But overall, it just didn't look all that horrendous from an officiating standpoint. They let the players play, and guys got hit on both sides. Tony couldn't have been getting hacked or hit too badly, at least not in the first half when he was killing us. He was getting to every spot on the court that he wanted, every time he wanted. If we don't find a better way to check him then we might run into some trouble.

Duncan got hit a lot, and Dampier was bulldozing anyone out of Dirk's way to clear him out for jumpers in the first half. It wasn't a big man's game tonight, it was a big Mav's game tonight, because Timmy wasn't getting any respect at all. superstar calls, I'd just like the calls that you'd expect anybody to get who makes a good move in the post and gets hit, or who gets past his man and gets hit on the arms going for a layup. Combine that with allowing Dirk to hack and shove and for anyone to reach in on Parker with no whistles and you end up with what we have. I'm not ready to mail this series in yet, but the Spurs are going to have to play that much smarter and just force the officials to blow the whistles. If they won't blow them, then the Mavs will win this one in four.

[mavs>spurs2]

Definitely don't mail it in, trust me on this. I'm a Mav fan, and I know how these things go. This thing is going 6 or 7 games, I don't care if Joey Crawford comes down to ref every game and rapes you guys.