Would D-Will have been an allstar by now if he played for the Lakers?

[Killakobe81]

Look DWill is the MOST complete PG in the league you guys want to say CP3 is the best fine ... I disagree but i can see the argument ...stats, stats stats BUT watch the games how many times has Cp3 SHOT his team back in to the game like Dwill? But Dwill can also pass (10assists), board and had 3 steals last night ...
No disrespect to CP3 ...but head 2 head he crushes Cp3 in whenever they meet ...they are BOTH great but I HATE when people like Stu Scott say he is CLEARLY the best PG in the NBA ...when DWill deserves to at LEAST be considered cloes, if not equal or better ...
And yes if he was on the Lakers he would be an All-star ...trust.

[sook]

All these s eat Aaron Brook's !

[Cry Havoc]

Best guards in the West that are mentioned in this thread:

1. Kobe
2. Chris Paul
3a. Tony Parker 3b. Deron Williams
5. Brandon Roy (I still want to call him Brandon "Wah" because of the goalie )
6. Steve Nash (maybe, probably lower)
27th(ish). Tracy McGrady

That's how All-star voting should go.

[jag]

I agree they are all very good. But CP3 and DWill are better at running a set offense, have better passing and shooting skills, are better defenders, and play with crappier teams. IMO there is no question those guys are better basketball players than TP.

I think there is CP3 and D-Will as the top tier PGs, then you have guys like Parker, Nash, Billups, etc...

Better defenders?

Paul is terrible defensively and DWill might even be worse.

[jazzypimp]

Better defenders?

Paul is terrible defensively and DWill might even be worse.

Are you saying parker is better?

[balli]

Dwill is not an excellent defender, but he's light years ahead of Paul and quite aways ahead of Tony Parker. If he had even a moderate amount of help from Okur and Boozer, Deron would be one of the better screen roll defenders in the league. And I'll be damned if anyone posts him up. Ever. I'll also be damned if cp3 or Tony ever switch to guarding a 2 without getting eaten alive.

Deron might be worse than paul on D? LMFAO. CP3 gives up the single worst FG% to opposing pg's out of any starter in the league. At least last year. The only thing he does is play passing lanes.

[DPG21920]

There really is no question anymore this year TP > Deron. The Jazz have equal talent on their roster, yet they cannot win on the road, cannot get to the WCF and TP is a much better defender than most give him credit for.

[jazzypimp]

There really is no question anymore this year TP > Deron. The Jazz have equal talent on their roster, yet they cannot win on the road, cannot get to the WCF and TP is a much better defender than most give him credit for.

You have got to be ing kidding me?? After watching the jazz fumble sweet passes time and time again I cannot stand for this... Look at how many open shots deron gives his teammates?? just watch one game and count them... It's not his fault they cant make them.. parker can score but show me one person outside spurs fans that would pick parker over D-will for their team...

[Greg Oden]

There really is no question anymore this year TP > Deron. The Jazz have equal talent on their roster, yet they cannot win on the road, cannot get to the WCF and TP is a much better defender than most give him credit for.

you're gonna make the guy have a heart attack talking about Williams.

[redzero]

Chris Paul is better than Williams and Parker. There isn't anything that Williams does better anymore, and Parker is always a shoot first guard.

[balli]

The TP is a better pg than Williams opinion is about the single dumbest take on this board. How many games this year did TP have 10+ assists? A couple? Any at all? LMFAO at a guy who rarely, if ever, gets 10+ assists being a better point guard than Deron Williams.

[DPG21920]

There is no talking. CP3 is the best, that is clear. But I and many others (look at the MVP voting, awards...) have Tony slightly above D-Will. That in no way is a knock on D-Will. He is great, and they are close, but due to the factors I mentioned TP gets the nod.

Don't talk about 1 game. D-Will player for player has as much roster talent as TP and has not done the same things. It is hard for TP to get assists because of the slower pace the Spurs play along with the fact that Tim is a pound the ball kind of guy. TP is a very underrated passer and I can bring up a lot of numbers that justify my statements but I do not want to get into it.

[DPG21920]

Assists are not the only thing that cons utes being a good point guard. Running a team that can win is more important whether that means scoring, passing or both. Whatever your team needs. LMAO at thinking TP could not average 10 assists in most systems.

[jazzypimp]

There is no talking. CP3 is the best, that is clear. But I and many others (look at the MVP voting, awards...) have Tony slightly above D-Will. That in no way is a knock on D-Will. He is great, and they are close, but due to the factors I mentioned TP gets the nod.

Don't talk about 1 game. D-Will player for player has as much roster talent as TP and has not done the same things. It is hard for TP to get assist because the slower pace the Spurs play at along with the fact that Tim is a pound the ball kind of guy. TP is a very underrated passer and I can bring up a lot of numbers that justify my statements but I do not want to get into it.

Give me ing manu and duncan and I'll give you boozer and AK and see where that gets you!

[DPG21920]

Trade us Brewer, CJ Miles, Milsap and we will give you Finley, Oberto and Bowen

[lefty]

Deron Williams is an amazing player, tough compe or. I love to watch him play; CP3 can go himself

One of the few Jazz players with balls (along with Millsap and Harpring).

He deserves better than than soft ass team

[jazzypimp]

Trade us Brewer, CJ Miles, Milsap and we will give you Finley, Oberto and Bowen

ing roger mason and the red crotch rocket makes more shots consistently than miles....I wouldn't take them tho cuz I think those players have upside... doesnt change the fact that those are 2 guards who couldn't hit an open jumpshot consistantly this year!

[DPG21920]

Doesn't matter, the Jazz have more than equal talent and say what you will about Boozer, he is a serious offensive weapon when healthy. Point is you cannot look at the Utah roster and the Spurs roster and say "wow, TP has so much more to work with than Deron".

TP has done much more with his talent and roster and leads his team to wins both on the road and in the playoffs much more consistently over the years than D-Will. Last year I would have said Deron is better, but with the leap TP has made, he has moved ahead.

[jazzypimp]

Doesn't matter, the Jazz have more than equal talent and say what you will about Boozer, he is a serious offensive weapon when healthy. Point is you cannot look at the Utah roster and the Spurs roster and say "wow, TP has so much more to work with than Deron".

TP has done much more with his talent and roster and leads his team to wins both on the road and in the playoffs much more consistently over the years than D-Will. Last year I would have said Deron is better, but with the leap TP has made, he has moved ahead.

Well, your still in the minority!! I guess that makes you a real fan!

[jayman2582]

Doesn't matter, the Jazz have more than equal talent and say what you will about Boozer, he is a serious offensive weapon when healthy. Point is you cannot look at the Utah roster and the Spurs roster and say "wow, TP has so much more to work with than Deron".

TP has done much more with his talent and roster and leads his team to wins both on the road and in the playoffs much more consistently over the years than D-Will. Last year I would have said Deron is better, but with the leap TP has made, he has moved ahead.

Dude, I love TP and love what he has done and am perfectly content with him.... But if the jazz were to offer me DWill straight up for TP then I would say where do I sign... No question.. Your just letting your homerism get the best of you... I've watched plenty of jazz games and there is a reason TP never, hardly ever guards DWill when they play.He is a scorer first and distributor second.. But that's TP's game and there is nothing wrong with that... but put up a national poll on who they would rather build their team around Dwill or Parker and I think it would be awfully lopsided!

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

There really is no question anymore this year TP > Deron. The Jazz have equal talent on their roster, yet they cannot win on the road, cannot get to the WCF and TP is a much better defender than most give him credit for.

Equal talent? WTF?

Tim Duncan = Carlos Boozer?
Tim Duncan = Paul Millsap?

[BRHorent45]

Assists are not the only thing that cons utes being a good point guard. Running a team that can win is more important whether that means scoring, passing or both. Whatever your team needs. LMAO at thinking TP could not average 10 assists in most systems.

LOL @ this son.. I use TP to whipe my a$$... how that a$$ taste?

[DPG21920]

equal talent? Wtf?

Tim duncan > carlos boozer?
Matt bonner = paul millsap?

fify

[Amaso]

Deron Williams is a flat out stud. It's sad that a top 10 player in this league hasn't made the all-star team yet.

[La Peace]

To me D will does everyhing. Passes/shoots/dunks/3's/steals. And so does Chris Paul. Watching D will is like watching the one of the best players at the point guard position. He is even better than Paul at some of these categories.

But watching Chris Paul is like poetry in motion. Chris Paul makes defenders run into each other like pin balls. He patrols the paint like a shark waiting for you to slip up. His style is what makes him what he is to me. Not his stats (which are mvp worthy as well), he is simply one of the best basketball players at playing basketball.

To answer the initial question: if he was on the knicks or bulls he would difinately be an all-star. In the west, I am pretty sure they would do something if didn't make the initial ballot with all of the talented guards taking up the initial spots. I would just take David west out, bull his vote count and put in Deron. Way more entertaining.