Would D-Will have been an allstar by now if he played for the Lakers?

[DPG21920]

A more fair question to illustrate my point as you are trying to do yours: If you take Duncan and Boozer off their respective teams, who is better?

[DPG21920]

Except that's exactly the case that most often happens. The NBA is dominated -- absolutely DOMINATED -- by the superstars of the league. That's why you have a player like Michael Jordan get 6 les with only Scottie Pippen, one other decent player, and a host of role guys who fill a need.

2008 - Pierce, Garnett, Allen
2007 - Duncan, Parker, Manu
2006 - Wade, Shaq, Mavs D
2005 - Duncan, Parker, Manu
2004 - Sheed, Billups, Rip (I already stated that this was an exception)
2003 - Duncan, Parker, Manu
2000-2002 - Shaq, Kobe, Fox
1999 - Duncan, Robinson, Elliott
Most of the 90s - Jordan, Pippen, Rodman/Kukoc/etc.



Thanks for proving my point once again!

All that proves is that most teams have big 3's now. Most teams in the playoffs (meaning teams that have some semblance of hope to win) have big 3's. It is the other players that make the difference when the teams big 3's are evenly matched.

LMAO at you thinking I proved your point.

[DPG21920]

Who has the best big 3?

[Cry Havoc]

Take TP off the team and Duncan and Ginobili would just rape the west.

I see what you are saying. You are saying Deron is so good that he makes that team what they are. That without him, Okur and Boozer and all their other scorers would suck.

I think you are undervaluing them. I am not saying D-Will does not make them better, but like I said, as an entire team, complete, they have equal talent.

I'm not saying they suck. I'm saying that most of their points, or a large percentage of their points, come from D-Will's ability to set them up for easy scores.

Take Parker off the Spurs, and how does that limit Duncan or Manu's abilities? They will still get theirs because they don't rely on Tony to create open looks for them. I will take Duncan 1 on 1 against any single post player in the league, even Howard, because Duncan is so efficient at breaking his man down and outworking him by using his intelligence to play better.

The same goes with Manu. He has more of an ability to create his own shot for himself than maybe anyone in this league outside of Kobe. When Manu is on, you can just sit back and let him go. He scored 24 (24!) points in a row by himself last year in a game. Boozer will never score 24 points in a HALF, let alone the 10 minutes Manu spent destroying the Wolves with no help from anyone else on the court.

I'm not saying Boozer sucks. He's a decent post player who plays no defense, and is the single biggest reason LA is up 2-0 right now. He mishandled 7 or 8 out of 9 possessions at one point. Okur is not a good player at all, and all he does is shoot 3s. He's never even heard of defense.

[DPG21920]

I know this is not a complete list, but if you look at how teams are constructed, they mostly have big 3's:

1. Phoenix - Nash, Shaq, Stoudamire
2. Boston - Garnett, Allen, Pierce
3. Utah - Williams, Boozer, Kirilenko
4. San Antonio - Duncan, Ginobli, Parker
5. Dallas - Nowitzki, Terry, Kidd
6. Houston - Ming, McGrady, Artest
7. Denver - Nene, Billups, Anthony
8. Detroit - Iverson, Hamilton, Wallace
9. Lakers - Kobe, Pau, Odom
10. Washington - Arenas, Butler, Jamison
11. Hawks - JJ, Bibby, Horford

That is not all of them, but all I could come up with quickly.

[Cry Havoc]

I know this is not a complete list, but if you look at how teams are constructed, they mostly have big 3's:

1. Phoenix - Nash, Shaq, Stoudamire
2. Boston - Garnett, Allen, Pierce
3. Utah - Williams, Boozer, Kirilenko
4. San Antonio - Duncan, Ginobli, Parker
5. Dallas - Nowitzki, Terry, Kidd
6. Houston - Ming, McGrady, Artest
7. Denver - Nene, Billups, Anthony
8. Detroit - Iverson, Hamilton, Wallace
9. Lakers - Kobe, Pau, Odom
10. Washington - Arenas, Butler, Jamison
11. Hawks - JJ, Bibby, Horford

That is not all of them, but all I could come up with quickly.

And guess what? The team that wins the le this year will likely be the team with the best big 3. This is fairly common knowledge among NBA fans. I'm surprised you are not aware of it.

[DPG21920]

Okur is a very good player and he does more than shoot. He is an excellent rebounder. TP creates a ton for everyone. Difference its that TP breaking down defenses and kicking does not lead to as many direct pop and shots.

Spurs move the ball a lot. Like Hockey assists. When TP goes into Duncan, Duncan pounds it so it takes away the assist from TP although he is the one who gave the entry pass.

[redzero]

Boozer doesn't need D-Will to make him better. Boozer does his own thing.

[DPG21920]

And guess what? The team that wins the le this year will likely be the team with the best big 3. This is fairly common knowledge among NBA fans. I'm surprised you are not aware of it.

Don't be a d-bag. I obviously know big 3 plays a huge role. But like a said, the best big 3 does not always win. Why? The difference from year to year of surrounding talent.

[Cry Havoc]

Don't be a d-bag. I obviously know big 3 plays a huge roll. But like a said, the best big 3 does not always win. Why? The difference from year to year of surrounding talent.

It wasn't meant as an insult. This is something that's been discussed on many basketball shows, as well on Spurstalk a number of times. Go back to 1980. Count forward to 2008. I'm willing to bet that over 80% of the time, the team with one of the two best "big three" in basketball wins the le. My point is that outside of D-Will and (if he's having a good game) maybe Boozer, the Jazz's big three is non-existent. They have no one outside of Williams that can dominate a defense by themselves with almost no help. The Spurs have three players, the Lakers have two players with a third who is consistently very good, the C's have three players, and the Cavs have LeBron James, who is a rare player that makes all other comparisons irrelevant.

When is the last time Boozer has taken over a meaningful game, put his team on his shoulders, and willed the Jazz to victory? You guys think that decent role players strike fear into the hearts of other teams? You think they're going to worry about Brewer (who's probably the 3rd or 4th best player on the Jazz) going off for 25 in a playoff game? It's not going to happen. That whole team is based upon what Deron Williams gets for them.