Awesome find, Bruno.
As I remember, Splitter's buyout is much lower for the 2010 offseason, so maybe he already knew about this.
Another thing to consider is that Tau has made tons of money by selling its players.
In 07-08, they got $3M for the nameless one.
In 09-09, they got €800k for Planinic and $1.5M for Dragic.
Aside of Splitter, I don't think there is a player on their roster who could bring them some money in a trade for the next year.
At the end, Tau's budget should be significantly lower next year with no money coming from trades and significantly less money coming from their sponsor.
Thanks, Bruno. What an awesome piece of information. This could really come into play in the summer of 2010.
Your posts about CBA issues have been a great source of info for several years now.
If you could answer an OT question, I'd appreciate it.
With regard to Drew Gooden. As I understand it, the Spurs have no Bird Rights on Gooden and he will be a UFA this summer, with Spurs limited to the MLE as the max possible contract they can offer him.
My question, can the Spurs legally talk to Gooden about a future contract at any point between now and the start of the moratorium in July?
I'm guessing that the answer is no, but I can't find a reference to confirm that.
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The rule was there in the 1999 version of the CBA.Great find. Has that always been the case or is that a new rule. With the way the Spurs have talked about it, I'm not even sure they're aware of that option
Never an unpublishable thought, Bruno.
Stern is quite open about wanting a new CBA posthaste. I wonder if the rookie scale provision will be reworked by then anyway...
I see no problem with Spurs telling to Gooden that they would like to re-sign him.
Teams aren't allowed to speak with other teams' free agent before July.
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The most important thing to remember about Gooden's upcoming free agency is that Dan Fegan is his agent. He won't be looking to do the Spurs any favors. He'll be chasing every last dollar.
If Fegan isn't happy with the offers this summer, he could very well have Gooden sign a one-year deal with a bad team to up his value and then try to cash in during the summer of 2010. In other words, the exact plan he used when dealing with Stephen Jackson and the Spurs.
There's a pretty good shot that Gooden won't get offers better than the MLE this summer and that the Spurs will be offering the most, but that doesn't necessarily mean the Spurs will be able to sign Gooden. With the way Gooden is producing right now, Fegan could very well think that Gooden could post 18 points and ten boards with a bad team and then get a big contract from one of the many teams that is clearing cap room for 2010.
If we sign Gooden, how do the Spurs upgrade at the wing position?
Do you think the Spurs take a chance on Ian and go after a wing? I mean look at the options. If you sign Gooden, you have no wings in the waiting that you are willing to give an opportunity to, along with no money to sign one.
If you let Gooden go, you at least have Ian to step in and then you have money to fill another need.
What to do, what to do.
Fegan does have a history of seeking the maximum possible deal. Time will tell how that will jive with Gooden's stated interest in finding someplace to settle down. At least in the short run, having Gooden in a salary drive is a good thing for the Spurs.
With all the attention to 2010 and how many teams are clearing space, the summer of 2011 doesn't get as much ink. The NBA has already let teams know that the salary cap/luxury tax lines will decrease in the summers of 2009 and 2010. Assuming they avoid a lockout, the new CBA in 2011 could further reduce those numbers. By the summer of 2010, a looming change to the CBA could see teams reluctant to commit to big money, long term contracts which could become cap killers under a new CBA. Conversely, players may be willing to accept smaller annual salaries for the security of a long term contract that may not be available under the new CBA.
In Gooden's case, the SJax scenario may be a much riskier proposition in 2009 than it was in 2003. Perhaps a full MLE offer with an opt out after two years would offer Gooden the right combo of security with the chance for increased earnings in the near future.
They could make alot more money selling Splitter to some other European team than getting buy out money from an NBA team. Or if they bought him out, he could just sign with another team in Europe that might have big money to throw his way.
good good....let him get one more year of seasoning in Europe, then bring him over after next season. It will allow Ian next year to develop his game and be used to the Spurs system by the time Splitter comes....Gooden as well.
Then in 2010, we have Tim, Ian, Gooden, Splitter as our main 4 Bigs. Tim could play out the remainder of his contract with some quality Bigs around him, and then retire, leaving us an optimistic future.
Could someone clarify how MLE money could be used for a first round pick who did not sign for 3 years. From what I could see in the CBA, it makes either the rookie scale, or salary cap space an option. I did not pick-up the reference to the MLE as an option.
A little help on this please.
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btw, i know i brought up Marc Gasol earlier.....I was thinking that, had we drafted him instead of Williams, would the Lakers/Grizzlies trade have gone down? I mean Marc Gasol was an important piece in that trade.
Just think how poor the interior of the Lakers would have been last year with Bynum hurt and no Gasol. Bynum getting hurt this year too, they would have struggled again, IMO.
Meanwhile, I think we would have beaten LA last year, and then played Boston...if Manu was healthy, I believe we could have had a great chance to win, if hurting, we get beat easily.
This season we would have had Marc Gasol playing alongside Duncan. He would have given us interior toughness, rebounding, shotblocking, and size. He also has a nice basketball IQ. I think even with all the injuries, with Gasol, we could have won a lot of those close games we lost in the 2nd half of the season. I think we would have probably won the top seed....and went on to play in the Finals again, even without Manu.
no use in dwelling in the past. it's like the scola thing. think about how many teams are kicking themselves for not picking ginobili in 1999. twice.
Ceramica is not the sponsor. Other things you says is true, the ceramic maker is just the name sponsor, not the club sponsor. Much different thing. I hope you are not serious in suggest Ceramica was the club sponsor this is BS.
They are the name right sponsor. Huge difference from main club sponsor.
So do this means Splitter will come for 2010-11 season?
Good find Bruno, this is interesting thanks!
there are many wings available in the league....
Company no sponsor, is only sponsor.
Huge difference.
I really admire your endurance to stultify yourself in every discussion possible.
the company name is Tau Ceramica.
this is the company logo:
The CBA said :
The word room isn't only used for cap space :if the Team has Room in excess of the applicable first-year Rookie Scale Amount, a Contract covering no fewer than three (3) Seasons that provides for Salary plus Unlikely Bonuses in the first Salary Cap Year up to the amount of the Team’s Room
http://www.nbpa.com/cba_articles/article-I.php#ddd
“Room” means the extent to which: (i) a Team’s then-current Team Salary is less than the Salary Cap; or (ii) a Team is en led to use one of the Salary Cap Exceptions set forth in Article VII, Section 6(c), (d), (e) and (h) (Disabled Player, Bi-annual, Mid-Level Salary and Traded Player Exceptions).
Agreed but... the player also has his say, doesn't he? Basically I think Gooden wants to find a home and play for a good team. He mentioned he was fed up being a journeyman (and I don't think that was only to please the Spurs when they signed him). I think Gooden will look at the situation SJax is in now and do the smart thing.
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