More minutes, more money: Can the Lakers re-sign Ariza?

[Cant_Be_Faded]

He is not a personal embodiment of the word " " yet, so who knows...

[VI_Massive]

If, God forbid, the Lakers win the championship this year, does that make them MORE or LESS likely to resign Ariza and Odom?

I think Ariza re-signing is a sure thing. LO is the only question in my book, but I've heard he is willing to take less to stay in LA.

Anyways -- I can see them more likely to pay big bucks to the guys who just won the ring with a chance to repeat, but also likely to pay big bucks to go out and get the ring that would have barely eluded them this year........so more likely to pay if they win or lose?

[HarlemHeat37]

they can sign both if Odom does what he said he would do, which is take a pay cut..

there aren't a lot of teams that can offer more than the MLE this off-season, so the Lakers will probably keep both..assuming that their owners pay the luxury tax, which they have said they would do if they are winning..

[VI_Massive]

they can sign both if Odom does what he said he would do, which is take a pay cut..

there aren't a lot of teams that can offer more than the MLE this off-season, so the Lakers will probably keep both..assuming that their owners pay the luxury tax, which they have said they would do if they are winning..

i hear ya on this.....but even Odom taking a pay cut puts them in some big salary territory.....http://hoopshype.com/salaries/la_lakers.htm

do you think buss is willing to pay that much tax? and do you think he's more likely to be willing to pay it if they win vs. if they lose the le this year?

[Danny.Zhu]

How much luxury tax is LA facing next year?

[SenorSpur]

Paying the luxury tax has never been an issue for Fakers owner, Jerry Buss. Knowing how important Ariza is to their team, I seriously doubt Buss lets him get away.

[SouthTexasRancher]

problem is george hill isn't a sf. That's what the spurs need - a long, athletic sf - and have for quite some time.

amen......!

[Ditty]

i think hairston could be like the next ariza if he works on his 3 point shot

[DAF86]

Who'd you prefer: Rasheed or Ariza?

[024]

i think the lakers will resign ariza. every team is trying to save money so no owner will be dumb enough next year to offer an overvalued contract. no more teams like cuban's mavs giving diop the full MLE. if there is a team desperate enough to offer ariza more than $6-7 million, then the lakers might have some compe ion. but it's odom they have to worry about. notice the lakers were practically unfazed when bynum went down. i wonder if they can do the same without odom. with bynum's extension kicking in next year, i don't see a reason why odom would want to stay on the lakers. they will pay him less money and give him less playing time while he's in his prime. odom has one big contract left in him while he's still in his prime.

[jcrod]

Who'd you prefer: Rasheed or Ariza?

Ariza!! The Spurs need wings that can defend as evidence what Bowen had done this series.

BUT it will not happen, lets hope Hariston or Marcus make great strides this offseason. The Spurs will not survive any longer with Finley, Udoka, and Bowen being the primary wings.

[HarlemHeat37]

-Ariza is not a lockdown defender at all IMO..he's a solid defensive player, but more of the explosive kind..he can't consistently lock down a player 1 on 1..

-Lamar Odom would definitely be a great fit for us, but obviously he'll get paid much more than we can give him..

[024]

So the its 75 mil plus 7 for either one or 16 for both

that's 82 mil or 91 million hit to the cap which would be 20 mil over the luxury mark

Pragmatically all evidence points to NEITHER being on the team next season


Kobe is going to ask for more money.... He is in his OPTION year....

Doesn't matter because NEITHER will be a Spur next year either....

with most teams shying away from spending excess cash, lakers might get lucky and resign ariza for lower than the MLE. i'm pretty sure odom will be gone. i personally think ariza is overrated. he's a good defender, but still makes plenty of defensive mistakes. certainly not a lockdown defender, but could develop into one with the right mentality. he will not be a good fit for the spurs since he could never consistently hit a three pointer, something always expected from the spurs' wing players.

[HarlemHeat37]

I personally don't want Ariza..if anybody other than LA gets him, that means they overpaid for him..so he won't be worth the price if he leaves the Lakers..

we don't need big name players to fill these roles..

[Mel_13]

Spurs have MLE LLE, AND expired contracts of JV and Udoka, as well as 10mil more in expiring contracts with Bowen and Oberto being non-gaur deals. Thats enough to make something happen if they want to forget the 2010 plan.

Wow, triple posting the same grossly inaccurate numbers to support your otherwise weak take.

[2Cleva]

To clear the air.

Lakaluva - wrong on Ariza. He's a higher priority than Lamar.
And no - Kobe is not taking a backloaded contract. I don't feel like going into the CBA details but he can't take a significant cut and get more later. He's getting maxed anyway.

Weak take indeed by Texas2Step. The most SA can offer Ariza is the MLE. LA easily matches that. They aren't about to S&T Ariza anywhere so SA's expiring contracts don't mean .

Kupchak has been after Ariza since he came in the draft. LA will pay to keep Ariza and Brown - and it won't be much. Both love LA. Ariza could have opt-ed out of his contract last summer - which his agent wanted him to do, but instead he declined and said he'd stay with LA. He's from LA, went to UCLA. He's not going anywhere.

LA's goal is to not exceed the $100 mil mark in team payroll (that's salary + luxtax). With few buyors around the league, they can get close to that bringing everyone back but likely they will try to dump Farmar, Morrison, and maybe Sasha for cheapers Ks to save about $5 mil.

[Mel_13]

1) The aurgument was made spurs are near tax level so they have know way to get Ariza. My point SA can dump BOWEN, OBERTO AND FIN=that 10 mil and it removes us being near the tax line. Thus we could offer Ariza the entire MLE without worry of tax.

Once again, this statement is untrue. No matter how many times you say it and no matter how crude and childish your language, the statement remains untrue. Next time, provide some reference or link to back up your position and you may be taken more seriously.

[2Cleva]

He also mistakenly believes LA is a team that is scared to pay the luxtax.

There is no salary cap issues in LA, just a high payroll. They've already addressed that to a degree in dealing away Radmanovic.

Hope all you want, most any team is going to offer Ariza is the MLE and LA will laugh and match that.

[lefty]

Lissen up tea bag'n gots. My statements are correct. You must be Obama lovers, cause you dont know wtf your talking about.

1) The aurgument was made spurs are near tax level so they have know way to get Ariza. My point SA can dump BOWEN, OBERTO AND FIN=that 10 mil and it removes us being near the tax line. Thus we could offer Ariza the entire MLE without worry of tax.

2) Only 4 teams will have more than the MLE this summer.

3) LA has plenty of cap problems now and it will be worse this summer, signing anyone will cause them to pay double for that player so giving ARIZA 5mil will cost 10. IS he a 10 mil a year player? Not even close.

4) Ariza did not stay with the Lakers because he loves them, thats just plain gay. He didnt opt out because he came of a broken foot and the market for him was not there. He would have been lucky to get a 3year-7-10 mil deal at best, so he waited to come back do well, maybe win a le which would realllllly raise his stock, and he was correct but no one is giving him more that 5 mil per year unless he wants to do a sign and trade.

[DMX7]

[QUOTE=Texas 2 Step;3322871] My point SA can dump BOWEN, OBERTO AND FIN=that 10 mil and it removes us being near the tax line.

How are they could to do that? If you cut them you it still counts against the salary cap?

[benefactor]

Ariza is not coming to San Antonio. That's all.

[Duncan2177]

I'm afraid Ariza gets more than the MLE. If he just gets the MLE, the Lakers will surely take him. I think Odom is gone.

And Spurs would not want Odom.

Now, it is true that Gooden is a legit low post scorer, but 1) he is mostly doing that against 2nd units, 2) we need our bigs to also play d, which he is still average at best, and 3) we could probably get by with Wallace for cheap for another year.

Ariza is our DREAM defensive stopper to take over for Bruce. And he can score.

He is the BEST possible scenario, IMO, if he can be had for around the MLE.

And what makes you so sure the spurs would not want Odom? He would be that long athletic sf the spurs desperately need.

[pad300]

From 2Cleva's assumption of a $100 million max payroll, and a 67 Million Lux tax line =

(100 - 67)/2+67 = 83.5

83.5 million in actual payroll. (ie. before Lux Tax)
LA's payroll = 75 million w/o Lamar, Ariza, Brown

= 8.5 million between Lamar, Ariza, Brown.

= 1 MLE or slightly more contract + a contract for Brown

Either Ariza or Lamar is walking...The Lakers can probably pick which one (Lamar or Ariza) they keep, unless some team with capspace gets enthusiastic. Where the other one goes is pretty open. There are teams with capspace (OKC, MEM, DET, ATL, IND (maybe),SAC,TOR,POR (maybe)). I'm not sure any of them are interested in an older vet (Lamar). So he's probably looking in the vicinity of the MLE from someone. There are a bunch of decent to good PF's potentially on the market (Gooden, Odom, Marion, Millsap, Boozer,Lee...). It might be a pretty good market for SA to pick up a big,espcially if Lamar is the one who walks. Lamar might fit pretty damn nice next to Duncan. He's very mobile, passes really well, fits into a team concept (doesn't need or want to be the man), can rebound well, and plays perimeter & slashing on offence...

[Mel_13]

Look it up yourself fool, BOWEN OBRETO AND FIN COMBINED MAKE 10-11 MIL, next year and the spurs have right to buy outs at half the amount....this is one reason bowen and oberto where in trade talks with teams looking to dump salary because they could be bought out for much less then face value of contract. Your ignorance of the subjuct does not make it not true.

Google NBA team salary 2009, you will find a bunch of links that detail the situation.

Again with the unpleasant language. You said:

My point SA can dump BOWEN, OBERTO AND FIN=that 10 mil and it removes us being near the tax line.

Now you say that they have buyouts at half the amount, which, of course would be much less than the 10M figure you originally stated.

The fact is, Bowen and Oberto can be bought out at half the value of their contracts. Their contracts total about 8M, so the Spurs can remove 4M from their payroll by cutting them. That would, of course, open up two roster spots which must be filled, at the least, with minimum salary players. So the actual savings is now 3M or less.

Finley has a PLAYER OPTION, the Spurs only get any savings on his deal if he decides to leave.

So to summarize. You suggested player moves that could save $10M. Those moves can only save $3M. Please show your work for the other $7M. The ignorance of the subject, obviously, is all yours.

Maybe you should fix your Google, it must be leading you to websites with inaccurate information.

FYI, these are the two I have bookmarked for reference. Feel free to use them.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/san_antonio.htm

http://www.shamsports.com/content/pa...ries/spurs.jsp

[2Cleva]

From 2Cleva's assumption of a $100 million max payroll, and a 67 Million Lux tax line =

(100 - 67)/2+67 = 83.5

83.5 million in actual payroll. (ie. before Lux Tax)
LA's payroll = 75 million w/o Lamar, Ariza, Brown

= 8.5 million between Lamar, Ariza, Brown.

= 1 MLE or slightly more contract + a contract for Brown

Either Ariza or Lamar is walking...The Lakers can probably pick which one (Lamar or Ariza) they keep, unless some team with capspace gets enthusiastic. Where the other one goes is pretty open. There are teams with capspace (OKC, MEM, DET, ATL, IND (maybe),SAC,TOR,POR (maybe)). I'm not sure any of them are interested in an older vet (Lamar). So he's probably looking in the vicinity of the MLE from someone. There are a bunch of decent to good PF's potentially on the market (Gooden, Odom, Marion, Millsap, Boozer,Lee...). It might be a pretty good market for SA to pick up a big,espcially if Lamar is the one who walks. Lamar might fit pretty damn nice next to Duncan. He's very mobile, passes really well, fits into a team concept (doesn't need or want to be the man), can rebound well, and plays perimeter & slashing on offence...

If Lamar is going to sign for MLE - LA will keep him.

But there are ways to clear up salary. I expect Farmar will be moved for a draft pick or combined with Morrison for lesser 2010 ending salary. Sasha likely also will be available.

LA will continue to trim the fat off the roster.