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I'm on the side that there was negligence at the FED level.....but I haven't completely closed my mind that elements within our country could have been involved....does that mean the Cheney or Bushco pulled off 9/11....no...
What theory do you support, dan?
I'm on the side that there was negligence at the FED level.....but I haven't completely closed my mind that elements within our country could have been involved....does that mean the Cheney or Bushco pulled off 9/11....no...
As am I.So what does that mean?but I haven't completely closed my mind that elements within our country could have been involved....does that mean the Cheney or Bushco pulled off 9/11....no...
I'm saying that there could exist a more powerful en y besides Bushco and Cheney...after all, Hitler was not driving the Nazi in the 20-30....he was simply a vehicle they used to acheive their goal....
Who indeed...
get this, the 9/11 Commission could be implicated in the torture scandal...from the Commission report....
911 Report“Chapters 5 and 7 rely heavily on information obtained from captured al-Qaeda members. A number of these ‘detainees’ have firsthand knowledge of the 9/11 plot. Assessing the truth of statements by these witnesses—sworn enemies of the United States—is challenging. Our access to them has been limited to the review of intelligence reports based on communications received from the locations where the actual interrogations take place. We submitted questions for use in the interrogations, but had no control over whether, when, or how questions of particular interest would be asked. Nor were we allowed to talk to the interrogators so that we could better judge the credibility of the detainees and clarify ambiguities in the reporting. We were told that our requests might disrupt the sensitive interrogation process. We have nonetheless decided to include information from captured 9/11 conspirators and al-Qaeda members in our report. We have evaluated their statements carefully and have attempted to corroborate them with do ents and statements of others. In this report, we indicate where such statements provide the foundation for our narrative. We have been authorized to identify by name only ten detainees whose custody has been confirmed officially by the US government.”
Yes, the 9/11 Commission used statements as truth from prisoners who had been water boarded....
http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=com...The interrogation of 9/11 mastermind Khalid Shaikh Mohammed (KSM) is mentioned as a source 211 times... He was repeatedly waterboarded and tortured ... and it will later be reported that up to 90 percent of the information obtained from his interrogations may be unreliable ... Interestingly, the 9/11 Commission sometimes seems to prefer KSM’s testimony over other sources. For instance, in 2003 the 9/11 Congressional Inquiry reported that the CIA learned in 1996 that KSM and bin Laden traveled together to a foreign country in 1995, suggesting close ties between them ... But the 9/11 Commission will ignore this and instead claim, based on KSM’s interrogation, that KSM and bin Laden had no contact between 1989 and late 1996.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20752717/page/2KSM underwent at least two sessions and other extreme measures before talking. "KSM required, shall we say, re-dipping," said another former senior intelligence official.
So if you support the 9/11 Commission report, you support torture too...
Yes it should. Easy question.
Logical fail.
It is sad to see someone fairly bright be so unable to formulate logically consistant arguments and unable to evaluate evidence in a critically skeptical way.
I'm sure you feel the same way about me.
ZERO: An Investigation into 9/11 watch it. Im not a CT theorist but this movie definitely can open your eyes to the possibility of shenanigans on 911.
you internet cred rating took another hit
sheez.
I wonder what Alex Jones has to say!
It can if one thinks that the makers of that video are honest.
They aren't.
The whole thing was a rather dishonest hack job.
This video will open your eyes to the possibility that the "truth" movement are liars, and not really interested in the truth at all.
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Bump.
You know, I couldn't stand seeing the front page of the political forum full of 9/11 conspiracy threads like this one. I mean, what's the ing point? Any effort put forth to carefully and diligently deconstruct the conspiracy theory du jour would just result in it being abandonded and quickly replaced by a newer, equally ty conspiracy. Repeat, ad infinitum.
But now, the entire forum has turned into a steaming pile of bat . No more threads with ES wielding razor-sharp nuanced views on religion, no more qualified legal analysis from FWDT, no more energy/oil/gas posts from scott...even 101A posts are rare these days. Now it's just an endless stream of right-wing anecdotes. Not even conspriacies most of the time...just ty anecdotes.
And now that the entire forum has collapsed into a black hole of soppy right wing paranoia - eh, what the - I kinda miss these old 9/11 threads. They werre a of a lot more fun to read than the mountain of lameness that's taken over now. Elaborate, Byzantine plots vs. rational explanations...pseudo science vs. actual science...the only guys on the right that approach that level of entertainment are the Birthers, and that's probably because they have 9/11 Truther ties.
So, any chance we can get mouse and nbadan back to work on these old 9/11 threads? Anything new? Maybe you guys can work in that new 747 with a laser cannon the Air Force is working on?
Whatever keeps the ol' neurons firing. Whatever it takes to block out mind-numbing like this:
We need a new independent investigation, but until the powers that be are no longer in power, I don't think that's possible...it's unfortunate that in this day and age, a conspiracy much like the J.F.K. murder could still be perpetuated (allegedly) ...for now, the truthers have their work cut out for them...but I'm sure the govt. faith crowd said the same thing after the Warren Commission report first came out....it took at least 2 decades for a new independent commission to discredit Warren....who knows how long this one will take to deconstruct but I hope I am still on this earth to see it....
I'm still waiting for the first comprehensive alternative theory.
I doubt I will be on Earth to see it.
How canwe offer an honest alternative theory without an investigation by the same people who might be involved? Should we let murderers head investigation into their crimes too?
How will you know what to investigate if you don't at least have some hypothesis to use as a starting point to be proven, disproven, or modified?
No , dan.
Just come up with a theory that fits the facts that are known. If not one person in the entire twoof movement can do that, there is no reason to even think about a new investigation.
Who do you even think might be involved?
Make a list for us.
Actually, I've always said that the key was WTC7....the recent NIST findings contradicted their own earlier findings..,the Pancake-theory crumbled....who's to say with time, the fire-brought-down-WTC7 theory won't crumble too...
.....not one person in the entire faith-in-govt. crowd has ever offered an explanation that matches all the facts either....so what?Just come up with a theory that fits the facts that are known. If not one person in the entire twoof movement can do that, there is no reason to even think about a new investigation.
What were their earlier findings?
At some point you have accused just about everyone as being in on the 9/11 plot. It got tough to keep track of everyone you accused.
Who do you really think is in on it?
Name them.
Common Chumpy, that is soooooooo..........three years ago...What were their earlier findings?
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