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    I have always been anti ct on the whole 911 thing, however this morning i watched this series on youtube. ZERO: An Investigation into 9/11 and although Im not necessarily leaning towards a ct it does open your eyes to a lot of things. It is not just another film with a bunch of kooks throwing out crazy accusations. There are just too many oddities and lots of stars lining up for someone to truly rule out an inside job was possible.

    It's a 10 part do entary and I suggest you watch it.
    Zero is narrated by Dario Fo, winner of the Nobel prize. Some new witnesses come out, including:

    Brian Clark (survivor & hero, saved a man's life and one of the only survivors from above the point pf plane impact)

    Sibel Edmonds

    Coleen Rowley - FBI agent and winner of Time magazne's person of the year

    Robin Hordon - ATC from Boston

    Captain Russ Witttenburg - flwe the airplanes used on 9/11

    Amanda Keller - blonde stripper who dated Mohamed Atta

    Altogether 31, key witnesses and experts are interviewed in Zero.

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    There are people more nuts than you who believe we control earthquakes, tsunamis, and lightening strikes.
    You must run with a different crowd than I do.

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    One key witness was working somewhere in the basement and there was an explosion from beneath him. And one guy got badly burned from it with his skin dangling from his body, this was in the basement folks right before the tower collapsed.

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    Zero is narrated by Dario Fo, winner of the Nobel prize. Some new witnesses come out, including:

    Brian Clark (survivor & hero, saved a man's life and one of the only survivors from above the point pf plane impact)

    Sibel Edmonds

    Coleen Rowley - FBI agent and winner of Time magazne's person of the year

    Robin Hordon - ATC from Boston

    Captain Russ Witttenburg - flwe the airplanes used on 9/11

    Amanda Keller - blonde stripper who dated Mohamed Atta

    Altogether 31, key witnesses and experts are interviewed in Zero.
    Amanda Keller is not a new witness and she publicly admitted she lied about ever knowing Atta.

    One key witness was working somewhere in the basement and there was an explosion from beneath him. And one guy got badly burned from it with his skin dangling from his body, this was in the basement folks right before the tower collapsed.
    William Rodriguez? By all accounts he indeed acted heroically on 9/11 but now has a vested financial interest in propagating a conspiracy theory and has changed his initial story toward that end. He makes money expounding upon it in Arab countries; even converted to Islam. Interesting story.

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    One key witness was working somewhere in the basement and there was an explosion from beneath him. And one guy got badly burned from it with his skin dangling from his body, this was in the basement folks right before the tower collapsed.
    That is Willie Rodriguez, but there are a few others from down there that have done interviews.

    At this link at the bottom of the post, there is an archive of some great 9/11 movies, including ZERO:

    http://www.dailypaul.com/node/88685

    Glad you watched ZERO, its pretty good, I recommend you try a few others as well.

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    Amanda Keller is not a new witness and she publicly admitted she lied about ever knowing Atta.

    William Rodriguez? By all accounts he indeed acted heroically on 9/11 but now has a vested financial interest in propagating a conspiracy theory and has changed his initial story toward that end. He makes money expounding upon it in Arab countries; even converted to Islam. Interesting story.
    You can tell from her interview she telling the truth. It is a detailed interview:

    THE SECRET WORLD OF MOHAMED ATTA

    An exclusive 19-minute video interview with Amanda Keller, Mohamed Attaâ s erstwhile American girlfriend, refuting sworn testimony given by a Pentagon official last week at the Able Danger hearing, who said the U.S. had not identified Mohamed Atta prior to 9/11. The interview makes it clear that the hijackers werenâ t hidingâ not even in plain sightâ before the attack. The only thing hiding has been the major media, which has refused to report honestly the true story of the terrorists who lived in our midst. Atta drank,did cocaine, and partied in KeyWest, all dubious actvities for an Islamic fundamentalist...but not for a drug smuggler... During the same month Mohamed Atta and Marwan Al-Shehhi arrived at his Venice, FL flight school, the flight school ownerâ s Lear jet was seized by DEA agents who found 43 pounds of heroin aboard. Heroin comes from Afghanistan, doesn't it? And before 9.11 Osama Bin Laden RAN Afghanistan. So who was he trading with in the U.S.?

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...05525480&hl=en

    Willie gets his travel and meals comped when he travels to speak, and gets a small fee sometimes. This is normal for people who go a speak to the public. Sounds weird to chumpdumper, but under his logic, speakers who get their travel and meals comped can't be trusted. Authors who go on book tours can't be trusted because they are selling books.

    I wonder why Chumper trusts the mass media, they make billions on 9/11 news coverage.

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    You can tell from her interview she telling the truth.
    You can tell she lied when she say she lied.

    'LOVER': Amanda Keller
    "It was my bad for lying. I really didn't think about it until after I did it."

    By Heather Allen

    Published: Sunday, September 10, 2006 at 4:53 a.m.
    Last Modified: Sunday, September 10, 2006 at 6:51 a.m.

    For five years, Amanda Keller has been portrayed by conspiracy theorists as Mohamed Atta's lover.

    But the former Venice stripper now says her boyfriend was another flight student not connected to 9/11. And, for the first time, federal investigators say she's right.

    "There's nothing there to corroborate the relationship between the two," a New York-based FBI counterterrorism agent said recently after reviewing 9/11 case files.

    The agent got clearance to talk from the U.S. Attorney's Office and the FBI, but only agreed if his named was not used.

    Among other things, the government checked Atta's phone records and found the two had never called each other.

    In 2002, Keller granted an interview with Daniel Hopsicker, a Venice self-published writer who maintains the government has covered up facts about 9/11.

    In a taped interview that has circled the Internet, Keller casually discusses intimate details about her relationship with "Mohamed." She claimed it was Atta, but changed her story soon after.

    "It was my bad for lying," Keller said. "I really didn't think about it until after I did it."

    Keller, 24, is engaged and is studying to become a nurse. She moved to Ohio in early 2002 and said she hoped that by getting married and changing her name, she could finally leave the rumors behind.

    http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pb.../1007/BUSINESS

    Willie gets his travel and meals comped when he travels to speak, and gets a small fee sometimes. This is normal for people who go a speak to the public. Sounds weird to chumpdumper, but under his logic, speakers who get their travel and meals comped can't be trusted. Authors who go on book tours can't be trusted because they are selling books.

    I wonder why Chumper trusts the mass media, they make billions on 9/11 news coverage.
    They don't change their stories in order to make more money.

    Here is a pretty exhaustive study of Rodriguez's claims and contradictions:

    http://911stories.googlepages.com/home

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    You can tell she lied when she say she lied.

    'LOVER': Amanda Keller
    "It was my bad for lying. I really didn't think about it until after I did it."

    By Heather Allen

    Published: Sunday, September 10, 2006 at 4:53 a.m.
    Last Modified: Sunday, September 10, 2006 at 6:51 a.m.

    For five years, Amanda Keller has been portrayed by conspiracy theorists as Mohamed Atta's lover.

    But the former Venice stripper now says her boyfriend was another flight student not connected to 9/11. And, for the first time, federal investigators say she's right.

    "There's nothing there to corroborate the relationship between the two," a New York-based FBI counterterrorism agent said recently after reviewing 9/11 case files.

    The agent got clearance to talk from the U.S. Attorney's Office and the FBI, but only agreed if his named was not used.

    Among other things, the government checked Atta's phone records and found the two had never called each other.

    In 2002, Keller granted an interview with Daniel Hopsicker, a Venice self-published writer who maintains the government has covered up facts about 9/11.

    In a taped interview that has circled the Internet, Keller casually discusses intimate details about her relationship with "Mohamed." She claimed it was Atta, but changed her story soon after.

    "It was my bad for lying," Keller said. "I really didn't think about it until after I did it."

    Keller, 24, is engaged and is studying to become a nurse. She moved to Ohio in early 2002 and said she hoped that by getting married and changing her name, she could finally leave the rumors behind.

    http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pb.../1007/BUSINESS

    They don't change their stories in order to make more money.

    Here is a pretty exhaustive study of Rodriguez's claims and contradictions:

    http://911stories.googlepages.com/home
    Rodriguez is backed up by 14 other witnesses, his claims are consistent.

    Your story on Keller is second hand. Someone else says she said it. The story you posted is not believable, and more likely she is being pressured.

    Anyways, there's no evidence that Atta was a terrorist.

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    Rodriguez is backed up by 14 other witnesses, his claims are consistent.
    Except when they aren't.

    Your story on Keller is second hand. Someone else says she said it.
    That's how newspapers work. Her quote is right there.
    The story you posted is not believable, and more likely she is being pressured.
    She lied. She said she lied. Everyone knows she lied. Even the make of Zero knows she lied -- did he mention that in the film, or did he lie by omission?

    Anyways, there's no evidence that Atta was a terrorist.
    Now you are lying. You are consistent in that at least.

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    Except when they aren't.

    That's how newspapers work. Her quote is right there.She lied. She said she lied. Everyone knows she lied. Even the make of Zero knows she lied -- did he mention that in the film, or did he lie by omission?

    Now you are lying. You are consistent in that at least.
    Where are Atta's phone records?

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    Where are Atta's phone records?
    With the phone company and several law enforcement and intelligence agencies.

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    "her boyfriend was another flight student not connected to 9/11."

    There's no evidence that this imaginary person exists. Who is it? Why hasn't he come forward? You story is bull . There's no reason for her to lie to Hopsicker. We only have second hand comments now. She is probably sick of the harrassing media.

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    "her boyfriend was another flight student not connected to 9/11."

    There's no evidence that this imaginary person exists.
    Are you saying there were never any other students in that area at that time?

    Who is it?
    Not Mohammed Atta.

    Why hasn't he come forward?
    Why should he?

    You story is bull .
    Her story was bull . She admitted it was.

    There's no reason for her to lie to Hopsicker.
    I wouldn't be surprise if he paid her. For a stripper, that might be reason enough.

    We only have second hand comments now.
    We have direct quotes.

    She is probably sick of the harrassing media.
    I know of no other media contacts besides that local newspaper story. Certainly you can give us examples of the harassment she suffered.

    Unless you are lying about it, of course.

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    Are you saying there were never any other students in that area at that time?

    Not Mohammed Atta.

    Why should he?

    Her story was bull . She admitted it was.

    I wouldn't be surprise if he paid her. For a stripper, that might be reason enough.

    We have direct quotes.

    I know of no other media contacts besides that local newspaper story. Certainly you can give us examples of the harassment she suffered.

    Unless you are lying about it, of course.
    There's no evidence that Atta ever called any of the 18 alleged hijackers, or that he called KSM, or bin Laden.

    Only 2 alleged hijackers have any kind of background remotely related to terrorism.

    The tape of the voice "believed" to be Atta (note they don;t say it is Atta), on the plane has an Israeli accent. Atta is not an Israeli.

    Basically, go got some asswipe reporter stalking a ditzy blonde stripper, that's all you got.

    How does the federal agent know Amanda's phone number? If she wasn't Atta, that wouldn't be in the case file. The federal agent sounds like a prevert.

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    "Published: Sunday, September 10, 2006 at 4:53 a.m.
    Last Modified: Sunday, September 10, 2006 at 6:51 a.m."

    Why was the story modifed? Was it correct the first or second time? Get your straight.

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    There's no evidence that Atta ever called any of the 18 alleged hijackers, or that he called KSM, or bin Laden.
    What is your source for this claim?

    Only 2 alleged hijackers have any kind of background remotely related to terrorism.
    source?

    The tape of the voice "believed" to be Atta (note they don;t say it is Atta), on the plane has an Israeli accent. Atta is not an Israeli.


    Basically, go got some asswipe reporter stalking a ditzy blonde stripper, that's all you got.
    Funny, that's exactly what you had until she admitted to lying to that asswipe Hopsicker.

    How does the federal agent know Amanda's phone number?
    He has access to a phone book.

    If she wasn't Atta, that wouldn't be in the case file.
    She wasn't Atta. Neither was his boyfriend.

    The federal agent sounds like a prevert.
    Sounds like they investigated the claims made by Keller and found that they were lies, just like she admitted they were lies.
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    "Published: Sunday, September 10, 2006 at 4:53 a.m.
    Last Modified: Sunday, September 10, 2006 at 6:51 a.m."

    Why was the story modifed? Was it correct the first or second time? Get your straight.
    You are free to contact the ombudsman and webmaster at the Herald-Tribune to discuss fully their story and the updates made to that story in a two hour period two and a half years ago.

    [email protected]

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    HeraldTribune.com
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    (941) 361-4666

    I don't know if the reporter still works at the paper but you can try to talk to her about the story as well.

    [email protected]

    Let us all know how that goes. I know this is so important to you and the makers of Zero that you and they will leave no stone unturned in the quest for truth.

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    What is your source for this claim?

    source?



    Funny, that's exactly what you had until she admitted to lying to that asswipe Hopsicker.

    He has access to a phone book.

    She wasn't Atta. Neither was his boyfriend.

    Sounds like they investigated the claims made by Keller and found that they were lies, just like she admitted they were lies.
    The FBI says they did it. They said Ivins did it. The FBI is full of .

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    The FBI says they did it. They said Ivins did it. The FBI is full of .
    So how many times are you going to change the subject of your own thread?

    Have you emailed the Times-Herald yet?

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