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  1. #76
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    Let me ask this of Laker fans, can you break down a hypothetical series between the Bobcats and Lakers? Obviously the Bobcats are better than the Lakers, but how would they end up winning the series?
    Wtf are you implying, can you make that a little more coherent?

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    IMO this series will be close. There is no way to evaluate the series on paper, each team has several things going for it. The Lakers have more overall talent but the Cavs always seem to be on the same page as a team and play way more consistent, disciplined defense.

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    I'll tell you right now, if the bobcats were playing the lakers i would actually pick the bobcats, its basically the 07 mavs vs warriors drama. That mavs team was just ing incredible. They started out 0-6 and finished with 67 wins. No team stood a chance against them, just to their misfortune it was david vs goliath in the 1st round, their kryptonite would put them to rest.

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    I'll tell you right now, if the bobcats were playing the lakers i would actually pick the bobcats, its basically the 07 mavs vs warriors drama. That mavs team was just ing incredible.
    Nailed it.

    If those 67 win Mavs didn't run into the Warriors, they probably would have been the 2007 Champs.

    Kryptonite indeed.

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    There is a reason the rockets can contain lebron and can't stop Kobe worth a lick. I thought that after we got the 2 best wing defenders something would change...but not much really has. The best offensive players have little resistance to that.


    I can say this without embarrasement, Kobe took a giant on Artest and Battier all 4 games this year...we didn't even win one. If we advance...i don't like our chances.

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    I'd call it a wash between the Cavs or Bobcats to play the Lakers in the Finals. I'd probably rather the Lakers play the Bobcats because the Lakers would be at home.

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    They started out 0-6 and finished with 67 wins. No team stood a chance against them, just to their misfortune it was david vs goliath in the 1st round, their kryptonite would put them to rest.
    The 2007 Suns matched up really well with Dallas. It would have been a close WCF but the Suns would have had more than a chance against them. That was back before Amare's got crack in his eye when no one on Dallas could guard him. Shawn Marion was one of the best Dirk stoppers even when Dirk was still in his prime. Nash always played well against them idk why.

    At the same time the JET and Harris always curbstomped the Suns to the point where Dirk didn't have to be amazing.

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    didn't Lebron put up 41 against the Lakers last year? The Lakers sucked last year?




    and didn't he light the Celtics up twice this year as well? Maybe I was watching another guy named Lebron

    at 2:10 JVG saying "that's wrong on so many accounts"

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    Listen, Cleveland as a team and a city is irrelevant. The Show will embarrass the Cavs so badly, James will ask to be traded to New York a year early.


    P.S. Lebron should should stop sucking Jay Z's and start being his own man.

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    IMO this series will be close. There is no way to evaluate the series on paper, each team has several things going for it. The Lakers have more overall talent but the Cavs always seem to be on the same page as a team and play way more consistent, disciplined defense.

    good points.......

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    The thing that could be the downfall of the Lakers however is how they tend to coast through games when they have a large lead, i'm not saying they will be like this in the finals but if they do then the Cavs could easily make them pay.

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    The 2007 Suns matched up really well with Dallas. It would have been a close WCF but the Suns would have had more than a chance against them. That was back before Amare's got crack in his eye when no one on Dallas could guard him. Shawn Marion was one of the best Dirk stoppers even when Dirk was still in his prime. Nash always played well against them idk why.

    At the same time the JET and Harris always curbstomped the Suns to the point where Dirk didn't have to be amazing.
    yea i forgot about the suns. They were the 2 best for about a 3 yr span. To the spurs credit pop was just a genius and had a vision that would look past the regular season and surprise everyone in the playoffs.

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    Just like not having Delonte and Z. So it only goes one way I see. Nothing really changes around here.
    Z was there versus the Lakers, in Cleveland when Bynum was out. Lakers won by 17.

    Delonte West is a liability versus the Lakers because at 6'3 he would have to defend 6'6 Kobe. I don't think there has ever been a <6'3 guard that has had any success on Kobe. Kobe would probably average 35-40 on >50% shooting with West on him.

    It would be very counter-productive for the Cavs to play their normal starting guards versus the Lakers. 6'1 Mo and 6'3 West.
    Last edited by Allanon; 04-27-2009 at 03:52 PM.

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    Like Muser said, the be-all end-all question to Cavs fans is this: Can Cleveland stop LA's frontcourt? The answer is no. Game. set. match.
    LeBron James took 59 free throws in the Detroit series. If the Cavaliers get to the Finals, the first two games will be in Cleveland, and LeBron will get LeWhistles. L.A. indeed has an advantage in the frontcourt, but that advantage won't do them any good if their bigs are in foul trouble, which they very well might be in both games.

    Another thing: L.A. has to at least split the first two games in Cleveland. If they go down 0-2, they're finished. They don't have the heart to come back from an 0-2 deficit.

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    Mavs and Suns wouldn't have played in 2007 ASSUMING Mavs played a non-Warriors team in 1st round and beat Jazz in 2nd


    Thinking the Bobcats have a better chance against the Lakers than the Cavs is absurd.

    The Bobcats ownage of the Lakers in the past does not matter. They radically changed their roster this year.

    People are putting too much stock into the regular season Lakers/Cavs games. Lakers did dominate the paint which is a bad sign, but the Cavs have the best basketball player in the world who will play all 48 minutes of a game if he has to.

    Also, Kobe shoots 41% in the Finals

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    Thinking the Bobcats have a better chance against the Lakers than the Cavs is absurd.

    The Bobcats ownage of the Lakers in the past does not matter. They radically changed their roster this year.
    The Bobcats owned the Lakers this year as well. They whupped the Lakers with new additions Diaw and Raja Bell too.

    It's embarrassing but the Bobcats are the Lakers daddy.

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    LeBron James took 59 free throws in the Detroit series. If the Cavaliers get to the Finals, the first two games will be in Cleveland, and LeBron will get LeWhistles. L.A. indeed has an advantage in the frontcourt, but that advantage won't do them any good if their bigs are in foul trouble, which they very well might be in both games.

    Another thing: L.A. has to at least split the first two games in Cleveland. If they go down 0-2, they're finished. They don't have the heart to come back from an 0-2 deficit.
    Why didn't James get the calls in the 1st two games they played?

    If you can answer that question honestly you'll understand why Laker fans aren't really afraid of the Cavs.

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    Why didn't James get the calls in the 1st two games they played?
    Because he played soft in both games, the same way he played soft in Boston. He didn't attack, and he didn't play in the post. He's done both so far in the Playoffs.

    If you can answer that question honestly you'll understand why Laker fans aren't really afraid of the Cavs
    I wouldn't expect Lake Show Fan to be afraid of the Cavaliers, Gregory. We don't even exist to you. I know this.

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    Z was there versus the Lakers, in Cleveland when Bynum was out. Lakers won by 17.

    Delonte West is a liability versus the Lakers because at 6'3 he would have to defend 6'6 Kobe. I don't think there has ever been a <6'3 guard that has had any success on Kobe. Kobe would probably average 35-40 on >50% shooting with West on him.

    It would be very counter-productive for the Cavs to play their normal starting guards versus the Lakers. 6'1 Mo and 6'3 West.
    In one match up Z and West did not play. In the other, West did not play.

    If West played in these games it doesn't necessarily follow that he defends Kobe. Nor does it mean Williams will defend Kobe. Lines can change, there are no absolutes. Additionally, Kobe would average 35-40 against anyone with single coverage.

    Nevertheless, his overall skill set (West) is very important to this team, and so is Z.

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    In one match up Z and West did not play. In the other, West did not play.
    Agreed. Bynum missed one as well.

    If West played in these games it doesn't necessarily follow that he defends Kobe. Nor does it mean Williams will defend Kobe. Lines can change, there are no absolutes.
    There are only 5 players on the court, that's absolute. Big Z gets Bynum, Verajao gets Gasol, LeBron gets Ariza.

    Which one of Mo/West gets to guard Kobe?

    Nevertheless, his overall skill set (West) is very important to this team, and so is Z.
    That's it right there. Z is undoubtedly a contributor and he was there that game that Bynum was out.

    But West is a liability. Neither 6'3 West nor 6'1 Mo can guard Kobe, yet they're the starting guard combination.

    Outside of the two Laker 7 footers, the other huge problem for the Cavs.....

    If neither Mo nor West guards Kobe, who will?
    Last edited by Allanon; 04-27-2009 at 04:50 PM.

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    Agreed. Bynum missed one as well.


    That's it right there. Neither 6'3 West nor 6'1 Mo can guard Kobe, yet they're the starting guard combination.

    Outside of the two Laker 7 footers, the other huge problem for the Cavs.....

    If neither Mo nor West guards Kobe, who will?
    Yes, let them be 100, then we won't have to speculate.

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    What you are failing to see here, is that nobody can guard kobe. And, it's best for Delonte and Mo to play heavy minutes because they will produce in other areas. They are rated one of the top defensive teams regardless. Which means, they will not let any one person become an island.

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    Im rooting for the Cavs. It'll be an easy Finals. Thank God the Bobcats and the Magic arnt gonna make it.

    Plain and simple..the Cavs dont match up well against us.

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    What you are failing to see here, is that nobody can guard kobe. And, it's best for Delonte and Mo to play heavy minutes because they will produce in other areas. They are rated one of the top defensive teams regardless. Which means, they will not let any one person become an island.
    That plays even more to the Lakers advantage if the Cavs play team defense. Kobe's job this year is to try and pull away defenders...if Z or Verajao or LeBron help and double Kobe, that leaves Pau/Bynum/Ariza open.

    Yes, let them be 100, then we won't have to speculate.
    But yes, I agree. Just my opinion, we shall see.

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