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    Sorry!

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    We agree that Amare Stoudemire is a horrible defender and has a bad at ude, right?

    So if Porter is an enforcer, give me one quote or instance where he called out Amare.

    Saying he's more of an enforcer than Mike D'Antoni isnt saying much. I would think every coach in the NBA is more of an enforcer than Mike D'Antoni.

    That being said, I dont put Terry Porter in the ranks of Paul Silas, Pat Riley, Popovic, Phil Jackson etc.

    You can bet any of those guys wouldnt be afraid to rip Amare a new one for his pathetic effort and softness on the boards.

    Porter didnt do that.
    If the guy that paid them had a love affair with Amare and Nash and put keeping both of them happy as the highest priority and gave the coach doubt about his front office support, then idk how many of those guys would enforce as much as they do. No one knows what a coach is truly like unless the GM makes it clear he's not getting fired anytime soon.

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    StandandAdmire

    I think you're wrong about Porter, DOK, but that's some funny .
    Coming up with new nicknames for him is too easy sometimes.

    And maybe I'm wrong about Porter, the truth is no one knows what the deal is with him as a coach. He didn't have players that listened to him or a front office that supported him. Maybe he was truly as crappy and clueless as he appeared, but we'll never know.

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    If the guy that paid them had a love affair with Amare and Nash and put keeping both of them happy as the highest priority and gave the coach doubt about his front office support, then idk how many of those guys would enforce as much as they do. No one knows what a coach is truly like unless the GM makes it clear he's not getting fired anytime soon.
    True, but I dont think that Terry Porter was the enforcer that Amare needed. If you think that no one could fill that role because of the front office's position, then thats a different argument.

    I just know that Shaq and Amare did whatever they want this past season.

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    True, but I dont think that Terry Porter was the enforcer that Amare needed. If you think that no one could fill that role because of the front office's position, then thats a different argument.

    I just know that Shaq and Amare did whatever they want this past season.
    Shaq played amazing this season and did all he could for the team.


    Bill Cartwright was hired practically as Amare's personal coach, if Ivaroni, Porter and Cartwright couldn't crack Amare's thick head no one can.

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    Man, I hated the Spurs...

    Speak for yourself, I love them. I even traded the best Duncan defender on the team to their former assistant GM, now that's sacrifice you should make for your loved ones.

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    Shaq played amazing this season and did all he could for the team.


    Bill Cartwright was hired practically as Amare's personal coach, if Ivaroni, Porter and Cartwright couldn't crack Amare's thick head no one can.
    If you think that Shaq played amazing this season, even for his age, then we are just in total disagreement.

    If Shaq played so amazing, why did the Suns lose so much?

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    If you think that Shaq played amazing this season, even for his age, then we are just in total disagreement.

    If Shaq played so amazing, why did the Suns lose so much?
    Because his team sucked. No one on the team besides Grant Hill can make an entry pass as sad as that sounds. Matt in Barnes was a starter on the team. Nash is playing for a contract in NY in 2010, he could give a about Phoenix. Same with Amare.

    The team didn't play as a team. In order for Shaq to close games like he's capable of doing he needs to get the ball in the post. When Nash calls him out for high pick and rolls because he wants to add an assist to his boxscore even though getting the ball to Shaq in the post is better for the team, Shaq can't do anything about it.

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    Amare has an extremely low IQ in general. I met his bodyguard a month ago and some of the stuff he's been doing since his eye injury is beyond re ed.
    Do share. What exactly has this guy been doing since the injury?

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    Do share. What exactly has this guy been doing since the injury?
    Sharing a moped with Monte Ellis? Staring at the sun? Playing 3 stooges with the terminator and tragic?

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    lol make the Finals once with your current unit, then talk . my team already has. le contenders my ass, you played a gimmick system that would never get you into the Finals.
    You aren't the same team as 06. Your team doesn't have the disciplined coach from 06. Also Howard has four more years of weed in his system.

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    lol at suns/mavs fans arguing about whose team was more compe ive this decade.
    two dogs fighting over the Spurs left-overs

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    You aren't the same team as 06. Your team doesn't have the disciplined coach from 06. Also Howard has four more years of weed in his system.
    Of course our team is different than that of 06, we have already learned a lesson from 06's finals that the refs are also mortals who naturally have appe e for fortune. Our team only has got better...

    The disciplined coach from 06 was just the culprit that killed our boys in blue in that bull finals, that's why he got fired in the next year. Cheat was just an conspirator, so were the officials as well.

    The weed can only stimulate players ambition and appe e for victories, say it does nothing bad but good to a player. I reckon that's also the reason Michael Phelps got 8 golds in the olympics last year, even the olympicians are not sick of weed.

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    I find it hard to believe that the Spurs "big three" will ever be healthy enough to lead the Spurs to another championship.

    It hasnt happened the last two seasons. And theyre just getting older.
    Fixed.......

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    I would say Dallas, Phoenix and the Spurs were definitely the cream of the crop for a few years, there. They produced some really great games between them.

    But I wouldnt bother with the "KFC Gang" that trolls these boards.
    ROFL Spurs fan.

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    Do share. What exactly has this guy been doing since the injury?
    Partying his ass off in LA while his team had to grind through the cluster known as the Suns 2008-2009 season. The partying itself isn't a big deal at all, the fact he decided to abandon the team during a miserable stretch and only show up to one of the last five games is the big deal. That's not what a good teammate does, you didn't see Manu Ginobili abandon the team after Dallas went up 3-1, he sat and watched game 5 just like his teammates had to. That's what aMarE StandandAdmire seems to forget, he plays for a team.

    But I haven't mentioned the worst part, which is what he's been doing at the parties. We all know he has a career threatening eye injury, and even if he does everything humanly possible to get back from the injury there is still luck involved. So what does emire do in this situation? Not only does he party, but he's smoking a ton of weed at these parties. How the does this re not know that weed is horrible for your eyes? Am I missing something as to why so many people in Phoenix like him?

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    Partying his ass off in LA while his team had to grind through the cluster known as the Suns 2008-2009 season. The partying itself isn't a big deal at all, the fact he decided to abandon the team during a miserable stretch and only show up to one of the last five games is the big deal. That's not what a good teammate does, you didn't see Manu Ginobili abandon the team after Dallas went up 3-1, he sat and watched game 5 just like his teammates had to. That's what aMarE StandandAdmire seems to forget, he plays for a team.

    But I haven't mentioned the worst part, which is what he's been doing at the parties. We all know he has a career threatening eye injury, and even if he does everything humanly possible to get back from the injury there is still luck involved. So what does emire do in this situation? Not only does he party, but he's smoking a ton of weed at these parties. How the does this re not know that weed is horrible for your eyes? Am I missing something as to why so many people in Phoenix like him?
    Because he's really good at putting a basketball in the basket. And he does it with force.

    I dont know how much I would belive this supposed body-guard.

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    I dont know how much I would belive this supposed body-guard.
    It's not like some random guy told me he was Amare's bodyguard, that would be sketch as . The only reason I was involved in this conversation is because the guy who I train with once a month also trains this guy and he had an appointment right before I did. The guy is black, massive, and a former cop. He's either Amare's bodyguard or someone really good at fabricating complete lies he has no reason to fabricate.

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    Because he's really good at putting a basketball in the basket. And he does it with force.
    I agree, he's a great double digit scorer......when his team is up or down by double digits, he's unstoppable.

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    Sorry pal, but you are wrong on this one. Porter didnt enforce any discipline anymore than D'Antoni.

    I saw Shaq and Amare play some of the most careless defense Ive ever seen and I never saw Porter call a timeout to chew them out.

    I saw Amare bark at the refs everytime he misses an inside shot, meanwhile his man goes untouched the other way for a dunk. Ive seen it multiple times. No timeout. No immediate subs ution.

    I read how Shaq informed Porter how he was coming into the game against the Lakers early in the season.

    All Porter did was slow down the Suns. And then he kind of gave up on that idea mid-way through the first half.

    Paul Silas. Popovic. etc.

    Thats what Amare Stoudemire needs. Someone who isnt afraid to chew him out on national TV.
    Watching the suns play often, i can say that terry porter knew he was going to get fired before the day that he did get fired. Throughout the beginning of the season, I have seen timeouts where Terry Porter kept telling the players to play defense, but it's never happened. Towards the beginning of the mid-season, it almost seemed as if he just gave up. It's pretty hard to enforce a run-and-gun team to play defense. Seriously. Think about it. That's like having Mike d' Antoni coming to the spurs preaching run and gun offense to tim duncan, tony parker, or even Bruce Bowen... wow i don't even want to picture it. The point is, having an offensive team transition to a defensive team doesn't happen overnight, or through a seaon for that matter. If you have to, GET RID of the pieces holding you back - case in point Amare.

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    Watching the suns play often, i can say that terry porter knew he was going to get fired before the day that he did get fired. Throughout the beginning of the season, I have seen timeouts where Terry Porter kept telling the players to play defense, but it's never happened. Towards the beginning of the mid-season, it almost seemed as if he just gave up. It's pretty hard to enforce a run-and-gun team to play defense. Seriously. Think about it. That's like having Mike d' Antoni coming to the spurs preaching run and gun offense to tim duncan, tony parker, or even Bruce Bowen... wow i don't even want to picture it. The point is, having an offensive team transition to a defensive team doesn't happen overnight, or through a seaon for that matter. If you have to, GET RID of the pieces holding you back - case in point Amare.
    Well said.



    Seriously though, what can anyone expect Porter to do if the players just flat out don't listen to him and the GM just sits there with his thumb up his ass watching the players organize a mutiny against the coach? Is he supposed to hold a gun to Amare's head and say play defense or ima shoot you? I don't understand what Porter was supposed to do when two months into the season none of the players listened to him and the GM was just sitting there expecting something to magically happen.

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    Well said.



    Seriously though, what can anyone expect Porter to do if the players just flat out don't listen to him and the GM just sits there with his thumb up his ass watching the players organize a mutiny against the coach? Is he supposed to hold a gun to Amare's head and say play defense or ima shoot you? I don't understand what Porter was supposed to do when two months into the season none of the players listened to him and the GM was just sitting there expecting something to magically happen.
    Terry Porter basically got shafted. Kerr thought bringing in a defensive minded coach in Porter can change the suns into a defensive minded team. Obviously it backfired because it wasn't the coach, it was the players. Of course, financially then, it makes sense to fire the coach who gets paid like a few mil a year then to trade all of the cancer pieces that won't play defense: boris diaw, steve nash, barbosa, amare, and a few others

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    Partying his ass off in LA while his team had to grind through the cluster known as the Suns 2008-2009 season. The partying itself isn't a big deal at all, the fact he decided to abandon the team during a miserable stretch and only show up to one of the last five games is the big deal. That's not what a good teammate does, you didn't see Manu Ginobili abandon the team after Dallas went up 3-1, he sat and watched game 5 just like his teammates had to. That's what aMarE StandandAdmire seems to forget, he plays for a team.

    But I haven't mentioned the worst part, which is what he's been doing at the parties. We all know he has a career threatening eye injury, and even if he does everything humanly possible to get back from the injury there is still luck involved. So what does emire do in this situation? Not only does he party, but he's smoking a ton of weed at these parties. How the does this re not know that weed is horrible for your eyes? Am I missing something as to why so many people in Phoenix like him?
    That's pretty lame, he should've been at the games, Nash would've been there if he was hurt.

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