Nice knowing ya.
I hear the Cavs could use more fans...
This thread was made especially for people like you.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=124655
Thanks for showing us your true colors.
The Spurs have a lot of flexibility in terms of trade bait and salary cap space going forward. I might say there days were over if they had this roster and no financial flexibility on top of it ... but the Spurs have too much room to maneuver to classify them as done just yet.
A lot depends on TD's health and ability to continue playing at a high level but the rest of the equation isn't entirely doom and gloom.
This run may not be over, but I think this Core is done.
One of the Big 3 of Tim/Manu/Tony has to be traded from the triumverate in order for the Spurs to be Champions again while Tim still can do it.
I would agree with that since 2 of the 3 are still good.
Parker is almost close to the prime of his career and Tim is Tim.
Duncan was never the type of guy who could jump out of a gym and really made a living in the paint.
His style of play allows him to play another 3-4 years and besides he plays like and old man anyway.
Manu on the other hand has seen his best days go by him. He is starting to break down and really can slash like he use to.
But I'll still take him any day of the week since this guy is clutch at the line and is still capable of
making some big shot during big games.
Manu really would have made a difference against the Mavs. But that's woulda/shoulda/coulda. Waste of time just thinking about it..
I think the problem is still our role players. We need some consistent scoring from
some of our role players and our bench.
(Why do you think Pop likes to have Manu come off the bench?)
Mason would have been nice, but he was assigned to play PG when really he's a SG.
He was probably our best 3 point shooter in the regular season, but when Manu went down,
the back up point guard duties went to him and Mason was never the same afterwards
Last edited by rayray2k8; 04-29-2009 at 05:38 PM.
I feel better about our chance next year than I did before the '03 season. With the big three healthy, anything is possible.
Agree about the big man help though. If you think about it, the Spurs are missing three big men that were originally part of the plan: Scola, Mahinmi, and Splitter. If there isn't a premier perimeter defender out there, they have to try to find another defensive big to bring back the more "twin towers" oriented defensive wrinkle.
Why do you think its over? After all these years, we should not complain, look what the spurs have done!! Now this season some downsides and injuries and all, but wtf?! Have some faith. We are still a great team, and no doubt we will be having glory again.
Dont give up so fast. instead, look forward to the next season where we will be on fire again
This might have been the year for the Spurs to tank and do that thing they do where they get the #1 pick and bring in Blake Griffin to extend their run.
Oh missed opportunities.
If we don't win another le, I'll easily be able to live with it. However, as a day-to-day fan, I can't stand the FO's stubborn resistance to rebuilding with youth. If we're going to lose, then fine, that's part of the game, but losing with players in obvious decline is tragic. I'd rather watch up and coming players with the hope that they'll improve rather than players we all know to be washed up. There's no mystery in that, just existential dread.
this is rash thinking . thank God you aren't the Spurs' gm.
i say before counting Manu out , let's wait to see how his season progresses next without the wear and tear of an olympics and with a training camp .
injuries are part of the game . you roll with it .
+1
I bow down to Tim Duncan. He brought SA four Championships, which is an astounding achievement. He led a team which was the most dominant team in any sport for a decade. He is a man of class, intelligence and honor.
Unfortunately, the price of such dominance is a LONG period without great draft opportunities, and the now the turkeys have come home to roost (e.g.Bonner).
It was a fabulous run. One of the greatest in basketball history...
We do need to face reality and drop a few of the oldies and get a few young'uns. When you look at how easily Denver handled both the Hornets and the Mavs. How easily the Lakers handled the Jazz. How badly we got -slapped by teams like Cleveland and Orlando. Not to mention how Portland and OKC were running us out the arena backdoor it is obvious we need to get younger, longer, more athletic, and be able to make shots and play at least a wee bit of defense. Hopefully Pop & RC will make wise moves and get us back on track.
I think Duncan is a lot like Kareem in the sense he can play at all-star level late into his thirties but this team will have to change a lot over the next several years. They will need to add some youth at every position along with eventually getting another all-star player through trades,draft,FA because Manu in my mind will never be the same again. He's banged up too much to ever return to his '05 level or even his '07 version. Its going to take a while to fix all of this but I think in 3-4 years if things are done right the spurs can possibly win another le before Duncan's career is over. They are going to have to do a massive overhaul much like the pacers did in '00-'01 by acquiring a bunch of young talent having Reggie mentor them. It will be a painful process at times but I don't see any other solution.
We? Someone has a mouse in their pocket.
Eh no, if they bring BACK THIS exact same team then yes, but if they retool some and get younger and Manu is 100% is FAR from over. This run is not over, get real.
Exactly. It's been a great ride, but Tim now has over 1000 games on those knees and his game is going to start to dwindle. The only thing nobody can beat is Father Time.+1
I bow down to Tim Duncan. He brought SA four Championships, which is an astounding achievement. He led a team which was the most dominant team in any sport for a decade. He is a man of class, intelligence and honor.
Unfortunately, the price of such dominance is a LONG period without great draft opportunities, and the now the turkeys have come home to roost (e.g.Bonner).
It was a fabulous run. One of the greatest in basketball history...
I think Tim can still be very serviceable over the next few years, but he's not going to be the Tim that can win us a Championship.
He needs to be the Robinson and let somebody else be the Duncan moving forward. Hopefully Parker can be the Duncan, but when your little man is that leader, you are going to need more than 2 great players.
Ginobili is done. He put too many miles on his body. I am very greatful for what he has brought to this organization, but I just can't see him staying healthy enough to be that guy we can count on.
When I say this run is over, I don't mean Playoff runs - I mean Championship runs. We can be the Mavs, Jazz, Magic, Nuggets for another 5 or so years of making the Playoffs and then taking our 1st or 2nd round beating, but unless we can trade Ginobili and make a few shrewd moves, the Championships are over.
With Duncan at 33 and Manu at 32, it's a risky proposition to try and run a full season being fully healthy.
But I'm not so worried about Manu but more of Tim Duncan. He's basically playing 1 on 2 because the Spurs don't have the pieces or the draft to get a quality big man.
Tim Duncan's gonna have to battle 2 guys all season long and that's going to lead to late season fatigue and injuries. It's not about IF Tim Duncan gets worn down in a season, it's more like when. And if you throw in 1 injury to Tony or Manu, then Tim wearing down will be sooner rather than later.
The West has some really beefy, really good Frontlines.
Dampier/Nowitzki
Yao/Scola
Bynum/Pau/Odom
Nene/Birdman
Oden/Pryzbilla/Aldridge
Shaq/Amare
That's 20 games, just in the West where TD will get the beaten out of him. You want to extend Duncan's career? Then don't make him play with:
Kurt Thomas (38 years old)
Fabricio Oberto (34)
Matt Bonner (age irrelevant)
Drew Gooden
If you don't want to give up 1 of the Big 3, you're gonna get stuck again with an old or underachieving or sucking Big.
Last edited by Allanon; 04-30-2009 at 01:55 PM.
you keep telling yourself that, us other spurs fans will watch the spurs continue to be successful. you probly don't need to watch the games anymore then, we'll tell you all about it
this is the first season where the Spurs have had multiple key guys injured for long periods. i'm going to give them benefit of the doubt to the Big 3 that they've simply hit a rough patch this season with injuries . i think the big three - with a long summer that will help the fully cover - will be back at full force next season and better than ever ...
i agree with you on gettting another big ... free agency is going to really be the determining factor ... if they can land a good big through free agency (Wallace , Mcdyess , or Bass) and/or trade for one with their abundant supply of expiring contracts and Ian Mahinmi can develope into a good player , then the Spurs will probably contend next year .
essentially , the what the future holds for the Spurs depends on whether they can fill their holes ... and i'm confident things will work out in their favor ...
I just don't see any available bigs out there that are worth any of our Big 3. I mean, not even close to equal value. And considering the production of our role players and bench, I don't think we can really afford to give up one of them for average talent and a bad contract (I'm thinking Kaman or Camby here). I think the card we're going to play is to see what teams are going to get desperate to unload talent for expiring contracts, both due to the economy and to clear cap space, and see what we can get from that pool. After that, you trill to fill the gap with some youngsters.
Unfortunately we don't have a Jerry West willing to trade a top talent for peanuts on the dollar. So we'll have to live with what we can get.
Ginobili could not be traded, except to another serious contender. This restricts the list to 2-3 teams.
Period.
He already mentioned n times that he just wouldn't play for the clippers or thunders of this world.
How can a basketball god let himself into a shame like that?
He'd rather pack up and leave for good.
So he basically has no value.
Ginobili, not the Spurs, are in the driving seat.
As for Duncan, I distinctly remember how everybody was convinced that Kareem was done in the late seventies, at Duncan's age.
Then came Magic and a bunch of other energetic players and look what happened.
He got his last le at 40.
exactly what i was thinking, because i remmber the nets said they would take either hill or mason for VC and we didnt. i wouldnt mind hill for VC
I hope so too, it sucks to have the Spurs at less than full strength. I do agree that after two injury plagued seasons, the Spurs should catch a break.
Free Agents, very few. But how about trades?
Boozer or Milsap? Any interest and would you give up a Big 3 in a sign and trade?
Tyson Chandler?
I think any of the trade possibilities would involve one of the young up and coming teams that need some veteran leadership.
Jeff Green of OKC Thundah?
Greg Oden or Channing Frye? Portland's got plenty of Bigs.
Last edited by Allanon; 04-30-2009 at 05:02 PM.
well i learned in a thread earlier after my initial post that TP will participate with his national team ... not too thrilled about that . i've got a bad feeling about it ... sure he's only 26 , but he's played in a of a lot of games , and with how much he's on the floor (in the sense that he gets hit and falls a bunch of times) ... that's not good ... the last thing the Spurs need is him injured or injury prone .
and Parker hasn't fallen to the (serious) injury bug like TD and Manu have . hopefully that continues ...
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