Churchill? Seriously, he invoked Winston...

[Yonivore]

"tortured my grandpappy" Churchill as the paragon of morality in dealing with our enemies?


Barack Obama marks first 100 days in office with praise for Winston Churchill
Barack Obama has praised Winston Churchill's refusal to torture German spies during World War II as an example of why the United States was right to abandon waterboarding and other methods of torture.

The president said he recently read an article where he learned for the first time that the British wartime prime minister had stoutly refused to use violent interrogation of hundreds of detainees even as "London was being bombed to smithereens".

"Churchill said 'we don't torture' when the British people were being subjected to unimaginable risk and threat," he said at a White House press conference to mark his 100th day in office.

"And the reason was Churchill understood if you start taking short cuts over time that what's corrodes what's best in a people. It corrodes the character of a country." The president's observations on Churchill marked the first time he has offered such praise of any major figure. He was even suspected of hostility to the wartime leader, after he returned a bust of Churchill gifted to George W Bush's Oval Office by Tony Blair.

Anyone remember why it was speculated he returned the bust?


Barack Obama's grandfather 'tortured by British'
Barack Obama’s grandfather was imprisoned and tortured by the British during the violent struggle for Kenyan independence, the Kenyan family of the US President-elect has claimed.

Mr Obama’s paternal grandfather Hussein Onyango Obama was part of the Kenyan independence movement when he was arrested in 1949 and jailed for two years.

His family allege he was tortured by his British guards to extract information about the insurgency.

“The African warders were instructed by the white soldiers to whip him every morning and evening till he confessed,” said Sarah Onyango, Hussein Onyango’s third wife, told the Times.

Mrs Onyango, who Mr Obama calls Granny Sarah, described how “white soldiers” carried out “disciplinary action”.

“He said they would sometimes squeeze his testicles with parallel metallic rods. They also pierced his nails and buttocks with a sharp pin, with his hands and legs tied together with his head facing down,” she told the paper.

The alleged violence was said to have left Mr Onyango permanently scarred, and deeply anti-British.

Anyone have a guess as to who was Prime Minister of Great Britain in 1949?

This guy just makes up to suit the moment.

[ChumpDumper]

Anyone remember why it was speculated he returned the bust?

This guy just makes up to suit the moment.

[Yonivore]

Okay, Chumpy, are you claiming Obama's family has not accused the British, under Prime Minister Winston Churchill, of torturing his grandfather and, further, President Obama is either unaware or unmoved by that accusation?

And, just why was the bust returned to Britain?

Finally, his personal connection aside, how 'bout the countless accusations of the British starving and abusing German prisoners of war in camps in Germany after the occupation?

[ChumpDumper]

Okay, Chumpy, are you claiming Obama's family has not accused the British, under Prime Minister Winston Churchill, of torturing his grandfather and, further, President Obama is either unaware or unmoved by that accusation?

And, just why was the bust returned to Britain?

Finally, his personal connection aside, how 'bout the countless accusations of the British starving and abusing German prisoners of war in camps in Germany after the occupation?

I'm claiming you made this up or ripped it off someone else who made it up.

Either way, it's just more noise.

[Yonivore]

I'm claiming you made this up or ripped it off someone else who made it up.

Either way, it's just more noise.

There are hyperlinks to both of the articles from the UK Telegraph in my original post.

[ChumpDumper]

speculated

So it's someone else made up.

[jack sommerset]

The British didn't need to torture they had us to do it. God bless the US of A! My great grandfather helped save their ass back in WWII. And yes Obama is a dirty filthy politician and will say anything his prompter will tell him. Its good the Democrats are fighting over the keyboard. Shows this wanker for what he is.

[ChumpDumper]

The British didn't need to torture they had us to do it. God bless the US of A!

How did the US torture prisoners back then? Can I have a link to the do ented cases?

Its good the Democrats are fighting over the keyboard. Shows this wanker for what he is.

It's good that Republicans are obsessed with meaningless things like this. Shows you wankers for what you are.

[jack sommerset]

How did the US torture prisoners back then? Can I have a link to the do ented cases?It's good that Republicans are obsessed with meaningless things like this. Shows you wankers for what you are.

I'm not a republican and go to ur local library.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm not a republican.

Of course you aren't....

[jack sommerset]

Of course you aren't....

I was Hillary man myself but you believe whatever you want amigo. is now telling me what my party is....

[Yonivore]

So it's someone else made up.

So, why did he return the bust?

[Blake]

And, just why was the bust returned to Britain?

because he was hoping for an Ipod?

[ChumpDumper]

I was Hillary man myself

[ChumpDumper]

So, why did he return the bust?

Why does it matter to you so much?

Is this really the burning question over which you are obsessing?

You're pathetic.

[Yonivore]

The postwar photographs that British authorities tried to keep hidden

[Yonivore]

Why does it matter to you so much?

Is this really the burning question over which you are obsessing?

You're pathetic.

No, my burning question is why is he holding up Winston Churchill has a paragon of virtue and morality on the subject of torture when his family, not 5 months ago, claim Obama's grandfather was subjected to torture by Winston Churchill's Britain.

That's the burning question. You're just getting distracted by the shiny object again.

[ChumpDumper]

The postwar photographs that British authorities tried to keep hidden

It wasn't a bust of Clement Attlee.

[clambake]

That's the burning question.

[ChumpDumper]

No, my burning question is why is he holding up Winston Churchill has a paragon of virtue and morality on the subject of torture when his family, not 5 months ago, claim Obama's grandfather was subjected to torture by Winston Churchill's Britain.

That's the burning question. You're just getting distracted by the shiny object again.

Your affirmation that it's a "burning" question to you says it all.

You are obsessed with meaningless minutiae.

[Yonivore]

Your affirmation that it's a "burning" question to you says it all.

You are obsessed with meaningless minutiae.

Saying he's going to approach the subject of torture (apparently, the number one issue with liberals these days) as did Winston Churchill, who his family has accused of torturing his own grandfather, is minutiae?

Okay.

[ChumpDumper]

Saying he's going to approach the subject of torture (apparently, the number one issue with liberals these days) as did Winston Churchill, who his family has accused of torturing his own grandfather, is minutiae?

Okay.

So you are saying Obama accused Churchill of torturing his grandfather?

Yes or no.

[Yonivore]

So you are saying Obama accused Churchill of torturing his grandfather?

Yes or no.

Did I say that?

Are you suggesting he's not aware of his family's accusation? Are you further suggesting there's no enmity for the British coming from the Obama camp?

[ChumpDumper]

Did I say that?

In fact, you did.

"tortured my grandpappy" Churchill as the paragon of morality in dealing with our enemies?

So is it yes or no?

[ChumpDumper]

Furthermore, are you accusing Churchill of ordering the torture of the prisoners held in Bad Nenndorf?

Yes or no.