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    American evangelicals are Republicans first and Christians second.
    Whites can't jump,blacks favorite food is chicken,Asians have slanted pussys,Mexicans are short,towel heads are terrorist.....................LAME

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    I get it: "Republican" is a derogatory term. Good job, Jack.

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    I get it: "Republican" is a derogatory term. Good job, Jack.
    You would come up with that conclusion and once again I am not a republican. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

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    First of all waterboarding is not torture. Actually thats all I have to say.
    What more could you say to back up such a stupid assertion?

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    What more could you say to back up such a stupid assertion?
    Have you ever been waterboarded?

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    Have you ever been waterboarded?
    lolol

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    I think Andrew McCarthy should have the last word on this whole matter with his response to Attorney General Whack-a-do on being invited to provide cover and be a whipping boy on some panel to look at policy that has already been decided.

    May 1, 2009

    By email (to the Counterterrorism Division) and by regular mail:

    The Honorable Eric H. Holder, Jr.
    Attorney General of the United States
    United States Department of Justice
    950 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
    Washington, D.C. 20530-0001

    Dear Attorney General Holder:

    This letter is respectfully submitted to inform you that I must decline the invitation to participate in the May 4 roundtable meeting the President’s Task Force on Detention Policy is convening with current and former prosecutors involved in international terrorism cases. An invitation was extended to me by trial lawyers from the Counterterrorism Section, who are members of the Task Force, which you are leading.

    The invitation email (of April 14) indicates that the meeting is part of an ongoing effort to identify lawful policies on the detention and disposition of alien enemy combatants—or what the Department now calls “individuals captured or apprehended in connection with armed conflicts and counterterrorism operations.” I admire the lawyers of the Counterterrorism Division, and I do not question their good faith. Nevertheless, it is quite clear—most recently, from your provocative remarks on Wednesday in Germany—that the Obama administration has already settled on a policy of releasing trained jihadists (including releasing some of them into the United States). Whatever the good intentions of the organizers, the meeting will obviously be used by the administration to claim that its policy was arrived at in consultation with current and former government officials experienced in terrorism cases and national security issues. I deeply disagree with this policy, which I believe is a violation of federal law and a betrayal of the president’s first obligation to protect the American people. Under the cir stances, I think the better course is to register my dissent, rather than be used as a prop.

    Moreover, in light of public statements by both you and the President, it is dismayingly clear that, under your leadership, the Justice Department takes the position that a lawyer who in good faith offers legal advice to government policy makers—like the government lawyers who offered good faith advice on interrogation policy—may be subject to investigation and prosecution for the content of that advice, in addition to empty but professionally damaging accusations of ethical misconduct. Given that stance, any prudent lawyer would have to hesitate before offering advice to the government.

    Beyond that, as elucidated in my writing (including my proposal for a new national security court, which I understand the Task Force has perused), I believe alien enemy combatants should be detained at Guantanamo Bay (or a facility like it) until the conclusion of hostilities. This national defense measure is deeply rooted in the venerable laws of war and was reaffirmed by the Supreme Court in the 2004 Hamdi case. Yet, as recently as Wednesday, you asserted that, in your considered judgment, such notions violate America’s “commitment to the rule of law.” Indeed, you elaborated, “Nothing symbolizes our [adminstration’s] new course more than our decision to close the prison at Guantanamo Bay…. President Obama believes, and I strongly agree, that Guantanamo has come to represent a time and an approach that we want to put behind us: a disregard for our centuries-long respect for the rule of law[.]” (Emphasis added.)

    Given your policy of conducting ruinous criminal and ethics investigations of lawyers over the advice they offer the government, and your specific position that the wartime detention I would endorse is tantamount to a violation of law, it makes little sense for me to attend the Task Force meeting. After all, my choice would be to remain silent or risk jeopardizing myself.
    For what it may be worth, I will say this much. For eight years, we have had a robust debate in the United States about how to handle alien terrorists captured during a defensive war authorized by Congress after nearly 3000 of our fellow Americans were annihilated. Essentially, there have been two camps. One calls for prosecution in the civilian criminal justice system, the strategy used throughout the 1990s. The other calls for a military justice approach of combatant detention and war-crimes prosecutions by military commission. Because each theory has its downsides, many commentators, myself included, have proposed a third way: a hybrid system, designed for the realities of modern international terrorism—a new system that would address the needs to protect our classified defense secrets and to assure Americans, as well as our allies, that we are detaining the right people.

    There are differences in these various proposals. But their proponents, and adherents to both the military and civilian justice approaches, have all agreed on at least one thing: Foreign terrorists trained to execute mass-murder attacks cannot simply be released while the war ensues and Americans are still being targeted. We have already released too many jihadists who, as night follows day, have resumed plotting to kill Americans. Indeed, according to recent reports, a released Guantanamo detainee is now leading Taliban combat operations in Afghanistan, where President Obama has just sent additional American forces.
    The Obama campaign smeared Guantanamo Bay as a human rights blight. Consistent with that hyperbolic rhetoric, the President began his administration by promising to close the detention camp within a year. The President did this even though he and you (a) agree Gitmo is a top-flight prison facility, (b) acknowledge that our nation is still at war, and (c) concede that many Gitmo detainees are extremely dangerous terrorists who cannot be tried under civilian court rules. Patently, the commitment to close Guantanamo Bay within a year was made without a plan for what to do with these detainees who cannot be tried. Consequently, the Detention Policy Task Force is not an effort to arrive at the best policy. It is an effort to justify a bad policy that has already been adopted: to wit, the Obama administration policy to release trained terrorists outright if that’s what it takes to close Gitmo by January.

    Obviously, I am powerless to stop the administration from releasing top al Qaeda operatives who planned mass-murder attacks against American cities—like Binyam Mohammed (the accomplice of “Dirty Bomber” Jose Padilla) whom the administration recently transferred to Britain, where he is now at liberty and living on public assistance. I am similarly powerless to stop the administration from admitting into the United States such alien jihadists as the 17 remaining Uighur detainees. According to National Intelligence Director Dennis Blair, the Uighurs will apparently live freely, on American taxpayer assistance, despite the facts that they are affiliated with a terrorist organization and have received terrorist paramilitary training. Under federal immigration law (the 2005 REAL ID Act), those facts render them excludable from the United States. The Uighurs’ impending release is thus a remarkable development given the Obama administration’s propensity to deride its predecessor’s purported insensitivity to the rule of law.

    I am, in addition, powerless to stop the President, as he takes these reckless steps, from touting his Detention Policy Task Force as a demonstration of his national security seriousness. But I can decline to participate in the charade.

    Finally, let me repeat that I respect and admire the dedication of Justice Department lawyers, whom I have tirelessly defended since I retired in 2003 as a chief assistant U.S. attorney in the Southern District of New York. It was a unique honor to serve for nearly twenty years as a federal prosecutor, under administrations of both parties. It was as proud a day as I have ever had when the trial team I led was awarded the Attorney General’s Exceptional Service Award in 1996, after we secured the convictions of Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman and his underlings for waging a terrorist war against the United States. I particularly appreciated receiving the award from Attorney General Reno—as I recounted in Willful Blindness, my book about the case, without her steadfastness against opposition from short-sighted government officials who wanted to release him, the “blind sheikh” would never have been indicted, much less convicted and so deservedly sentenced to life-imprisonment. In any event, I’ve always believed defending our nation is a duty of citizenship, not ideology. Thus, my conservative political views aside, I’ve made myself available to liberal and conservative groups, to Democrats and Republicans, who’ve thought tapping my experience would be beneficial. It pains me to decline your invitation, but the attendant cir stances leave no other option.

    Very truly yours,

    /S/

    Andrew C. McCarthy

    cc: Sylvia T. Kaser and John DePue
    National Security Division, Counterterrorism Section
    I think the Democrats are on their own now. They've pretty much alienated the intelligence community and any lawyers that might have been willing to give the honest counsel.

    Good Luck!

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    What a bunch of fake outrage.

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    Most forms of psychological interrogation methods are OK in my book.

    anything that brings physical pain is torture, imo.

    so sleep deprivation is OK. if waterboarding is SAFE to the victim and is only a psychological thing, then it is OK to me too.

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    Had the torture excuse-makers been working in good faith, I would agree with McCarthy.

    They obviously were not.

    When a lawyer completely ignores existing case law when forming an opinion, that lawyer is either totally incompetent or completely dishonest.

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    Had the torture excuse-makers been working in good faith, I would agree with McCarthy.

    They obviously were not.

    When a lawyer completely ignores existing case law when forming an opinion, that lawyer is either totally incompetent or completely dishonest.
    Oh please do cite case law applicable to alien combatants captured on a field of battle.

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    Had the torture excuse-makers been working in good faith, I would agree with McCarthy.

    They obviously were not.

    When a lawyer completely ignores existing case law when forming an opinion, that lawyer is either totally incompetent or completely dishonest.
    How many times have you been waterboarded?

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    Oh please do cite case law applicable to alien combatants captured on a field of battle.
    There is plenty of case law -- military and civilian -- regarding waterboarding.

    I know you want so bad to be able to torture and think it's is the best thing America could ever do.

    I disagree.

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    How many times have you been waterboarded?
    None.

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    American evangelicals are Republicans first and Christians second.
    This is quite a generalization but I know some people that fit this bill completely. Fox News is probably third

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    There is plenty of case law -- military and civilian -- regarding waterboarding.

    I know you want so bad to be able to torture and think it's is the best thing America could ever do.

    I disagree.
    So, cite the law...

    You're so fond of badgering people over details, in here. Put up or shut up.

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    I would bet my big balls,my nuts,my sac that if Obama said waterboarding is not torture chump would agree.

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    so those great atheist leaders like Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, and Fidel Castro have never ever tortured... atheist are so lovable...

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    so those great atheist leaders like Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, and Fidel Castro have never ever tortured... atheist are so lovable...
    fake christians do it, too.

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    so those great atheist leaders like Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, and Fidel Castro have never ever tortured... atheist are so lovable...
    so we should be like these dictators? what are you trying to say here?

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    Pro-life Christian countries don't start wars and don't kill non-combattants.

    Sincerely,
    Adolph Hitler,
    dubya & head & friends
    Hilter was no christian, he found many too many faults with it to suit his vision.......I know my church supports torture but Rev. Wright says only for the jews and whitey.

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    One more thing I think the word torture may not lead to a healing within the family of man, I propose we call it MAN MADE CONFESSIONS. whadda ya think.

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    One more thing I think the word torture may not lead to a healing within the family of man, I propose we call it MAN MADE CONFESSIONS. whadda ya think.
    Janet Napolitano approves.

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    How about the upwards of 700 innocent people the US tortured?

    Hey Jack, you do realize that most of the prisoners held at Guantanamo have been relased and not charged with any crime--after the US determined them to be completely innocent... after they tortured them first.

    What was the name of that Canadian gentlemen they abducted from NYC a few years ago, flew to Syria, tortured the out of him, only to find out it was a case of mistaken iden y?

    What about those guys mr. tough guy? they pussies too?
    um yes yes they are

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    I'm totally on board with Hitler.

    Sincerely,
    Dietrich Bonhoeffer
    No kidding. Talk about general historical ignorance...

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