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God hates Jews and Muslims because he doesn't let them eat pork.
There aint nothing like a rack of ribs with some barbecue sauce slathered all over them.
Well, christians can't believe the world is 5,000 years old and also explore astronomy and other sciences. Some scientists may have been religious, but I don't see how christianity compelled scientific thought, other than influencing them to explore science for some legitimate answers that religions try to explain.
God hates Jews and Muslims because he doesn't let them eat pork.
There aint nothing like a rack of ribs with some barbecue sauce slathered all over them.
Newton lived under a King that did not allow anyone who did not share his religious beliefs to teach in schools or universities. He once tried to give bogus university awards and diplomas to people who agreed with his religious beliefs, but Newton and a few other guys from the university refused to do it, so the King had all of them - including Newton - brought up on trumped up charges. Thankfully, they weren't beheaded and the charges were dismissed.
Would anyone here throw their children in a fiery furnace to suffer forever, no matter what they did?
Christian God is worse than a Nazi.
God - punishes you for being ANYTHING BUT a Christian
Nazi - punishes you for being a Jew
God - throws you in for ETERNAL suffering and torment
Nazi - throws you into a furnace, gasses you, or shoots you, but at least you die
That analogy couldn't be more deceptively heinous if you tried....
The setting of our eternal destiny/fate will be the result of our choices alone...
So they were in it to dissuade themselves from believing in GOD??? You aren't giving their intellect enough credit to let them make that decision for themselves... Fact of the matter is that the majority of them died with the conviction that GOD was the Creator of the Universe...
I have a question.....if you get sentenced to eternal by god, do you even feel pain, since you are separate from your body? Can your soul/spirit feel physical pain?
My only crime would be not accepting the Christian God.
For having a different opinion, or 'not loving God', I deserve eternal suffering ? I am a good person with high morals and compassion, yet I would go to if your God was real.
Christian God is worse than a Nazi.
Who the would do that to their children just because they didn't love you?
Suuuuuuure.
Anybody who's just looking at everything that goes on around us, around our bodies, and around the whole universe knows that this is way too weird to be a coincidence.
Unfortunately for all the Christians who believe this, it really is a big problem.
We as humans wouldn't think it right for a mother/father to throw a child into a furnace for ANY reason, would we?
And yet, God is willing to do such because of a lack of belief in him.
Would the 'choice' argument work if I told someone they could, say, let me rape their wife or I'd shoot them? Of course not.
The only explanation for it is, "If God does it, it's moral." I think that's a horribly poor argument, because morality should not be determined ipso facto by whatever God does/says, but at least that's a consistent rebuttal.
Humans have higher morals than the Christian God.
Your "rape or get shot" argument is ridiculous. God's not asking you to choose the lesser of two evils....he's asking you to choose between good or evil.
He understands completely the gravity of eternal torment....this is why He sent Jesus as a sacrifice. This is why it's so important to God that you believe in Jesus. The belief of the Christian in Jesus, puts that Christian on the cross with him. The eternal suffering we all deserve was taken by Jesus. If you believe in Him, you are joined with Him and your sentence is complete. If you do not believe, you are not joined with Jesus in his punishment, and your sentence still has to be served.
Ww can compare it all we want to our kids and how we punish them (although most parents present their discipline to their kids as being the result of the child's choices), but the reality is that we're not talking about cookies and staying out late. We're talking about eternity.
the Christian God sends his 'children' to to suffer for eternity just because they didn't love him.
Even most humans wouldn't do that to their own children. It's ridiculous.
No christian can excuse that fact.
its easily reasoned out. you're just a blind idiot who wants what you want, and not what God wants.
God's loss, he loves you, but every sin is equal in God's eyes. That one time you lied denies you entry to heaven. That one time you stole damns you to . Only unblemished souls may enter Heaven.
Your soul is blemished from original sin, and from the wide spectrum of sinning you've done. Just not believing in a God is only a fraction of why you won't go to heaven.
No, its really not. The problem lies with you, not with what 99% of christians believe.
Apples to oranges, completely.We as humans wouldn't think it right for a mother/father to throw a child into a furnace for ANY reason, would we?
God is giving you chance after chance, to accept and love him, every second of every day. You have chosen not to. Nothing to do with God, he loves you and wants you in heaven. However, God is just, and you are not - by ignoring his love and design, and believing in your own tiny amount of knowledge concerning the universe, you anger God greatly. He has a perfect plan and you're in it. By denying your participation, you avoid the ultimate ending to the Plan - you receiving eternal grace in heaven.
By getting out of sync with God's plan, YOU are dooming yourself - not God. At any time, including right now, you can reenter God's plan and secure your soul.
It's not just 'believing,' though doing so on Jesus gets you to heaven according to the Bible. It's the fact you've sinned your entire life, ignored God and denied his very existence which denies you entry to heaven.And yet, God is willing to do such because of a lack of belief in him.
You have very much misconstrued the situation. It's obvious no one is perfect - and its not hard to reason that God would not allow anyone imperfect into the pearly gates. That's why he required animal blood offerings initially - but in order to save all souls, he required the blood offering of HIMSELF - Jesus. By acknowledging you are imperfect, by acknowledging Jesus died for your sins, by sincerely asking Jesus to forgive you, you do far more than just "believe" God exists.
Herein lies your biggest problem. You think WE, inherently sinful, evil stupid humans, should be the judges of what is moral and immoral, even concerning God.The only explanation for it is, "If God does it, it's moral." I think that's a horribly poor argument, because morality should not be determined ipso facto by whatever God does/says, but at least that's a consistent rebuttal.
That's just folly.
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We're only "His children" if we believe He exists, and develop a relationship with Him... Otherwise were just another created being... no more and no less than the angels who were cast down with Lucifer the day they rebelled against GOD.
As for MiamiHeat's Nazi analogy.... Jews didn't have much of a choice in the matter.
If Christian God was real, I'd say that the Christian God is an asshole, a sadist, a lunatic.
To suffer for all of eternity just because you don't want to believe.
What's the big deal? Why can't I just be left alone?
How is that JUSTICE?
Yeah, there's no denying it. You can't.
The punishment for not loving a god is eternal suffering. Not even we humans are that cruel.
My big question is why? Why does god want us in heaven so badly? Why is he angered over the actions of humans? He seems to be so butt-hurt by people who don't believe in him... I just don't get it. If he get's so offended by people not believing him (given that there is very limited true evidence of his existence, at least in my and millions of other earthlings' opinions), why doesn't he make his existence drastically clear? That would probably sway the opinions of the nonbelievers, therefore satisfying his petty human emotion.
Oh yeah, and humans being inherently sinful is bull .
If humans are born with original sin because of the sins of Adam, then white Americans are born with the sin of slavery, handed down the generations, and owe reparations to almost every black person in the nation.
Your eternal afterlife is torment precisely because you are left alone by God.
It doesn't matter what the choice is, in all honesty. Let's say I forced you to eat a delicious cookie, or be tormented forever. It's still not moral.
If Jesus took our suffering, then why must we believe? Jesus can't have completely sacrificed for our suffering, if we still have to perform some action on our part.
In the end, you went with the exact argument I figured you would have. "Sure, it seems alot like this cir stance, but it's completely different because it's God/eternity/Heaven/whatever so that makes it ok."
I thought forgiveness was divine?
Why doesn't God change the entry fees to Heaven then? Why not make it so if you're a good person, but you've never experienced his love/knowledge, you are still able to get in?
And don't say "It doesn't work that way" because the point is, if God is who he is, he can do anything he wants. He could choose to make Heaven that way.
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