Atheism on the rise in every single US state.

[z0sa]

how far I will go???

I simply called you a moron....I didn't think that was going very far.

and it seems people agree (miamiheat, blake ), you truly are a moron if you're calling science bull .

Yeah, in the context I was definitely just calling science a bull feeder, and not both religion and science (and it does feed you bull , thanks you very much)

you are pathetic. I'm glad I wasn't born a brainwashed, re ed clown.

wait, i thought you only called me a moron, not a pathetic, brainwashed, re ed clown?

again, its not hard to see i'm walking on your 'beliefs' in science, and it pisses you off. Don't lie about. Just admit it and question what exactly I'm saying, instead of insulting me.

[LnGrrrR]

Eh, whatever. God gave them rights every slave elsewhere would have died for.

Or he could've just said "No slavery". This is not a matter of how WELL the slaves were treated; this is a matter of whether you consider it moral or not to be able to keep slaves who work for you.

Here's an apologist for slavery in the Bible: http://www.allaboutworldview.org/sla...-the-bible.htm

... who glosses over the fact that, no matter how humane the slavery may be, we would consider it immoral nowadays, whereas God obviously did not. If God did NOT consider it immoral, then he had the power to outlaw it, as he did with other forbidden vices.

[LnGrrrR]

again, its not hard to see i'm walking on your 'beliefs' in science, and it pisses you off. Don't lie about. Just admit it and question what exactly I'm saying, instead of insulting me.

"Belief" in science is usually based on past experience and data. It is not the same as 'belief' where you just have to trust something. It's a failure of the English language

For instance, saying I believe the sun will come up tomorrow does not imply the same thing as saying I believe in a God.

[z0sa]

"Belief" in science is usually based on past experience and data. It is not the same as 'belief' where you just have to trust something. It's a failure of the English language

For instance, saying I believe the sun will come up tomorrow does not imply the same thing as saying I believe in a God.

that's why i said 'beliefs' with the little quotes around it

[z0sa]

Or he could've just said "No slavery". This is not a matter of how WELL the slaves were treated; this is a matter of whether you consider it moral or not to be able to keep slaves who work for you.

Here's an apologist for slavery in the Bible: http://www.allaboutworldview.org/sla...-the-bible.htm

... who glosses over the fact that, no matter how humane the slavery may be, we would consider it immoral nowadays, whereas God obviously did not. If God did NOT consider it immoral, then he had the power to outlaw it, as he did with other forbidden vices.

I never said I'd have all the answers. It's a good point that outlawing slavery completely would have been the most 'moral' option. But with the laws protecting them, I don't see how they were the slaves we've come to imagine today, getting beaten and upon and overworked and underfed and murdered etc etc etc these slaves had all the same 'human' rights as their owners, they were just in a lower class.

[Blake]

by not coveting your neighbor's ? Of course it does.

Jaywalking laws help keep people happier, healthier and safer.

Coveting your neighbor's " " is a worthless law, especially considering that "thou shalt not steal" is a law as well.

Yet, coveting your neighbor's " " is punishable by death.

Keep on missing the point.

I tried, you say God is unjust for doing what he says he going to do. You have an problem with the punishment, not the issue itself? Don't break the ten commandments. WOW, its really not that horrible is it?

Breaking the law is wrong.

Yes, I have an issue with a punishment of death for breaking some of those 10 commandments.

Your posts are horrible.

It is you who has missed the point - which is not surprising.

I'm the one making the point.

You saying I missed my own point is not surprising.

It isn't considered acceptable - it is a standard God set, just like his many other instructions. If two cannot get along, should they hate each other, causing more sin if they cheat or lie or steal, or just divorce and pray for forgiveness and help finding the right one?

It's a sin now, but divorce was ok in the OT. That's called a contradiction.

Great job of missing the point again.

Eh, whatever. God gave them rights every slave elsewhere would have died for.

Eh, "everyone else was doing it so God let the Israelites do it"

For all the ed up you and I have done, we deserve it.

so when your kids fock up, you torture and burn them because they deserve it.

you deserve to be stoned in the street.

I know, i tried.

and you still unnecessarily missed the point.

Typically he does not. The OT spans thousands of years, how many interventions are you estimating?

finding one direct intervention is enough to prove the point.

and to prove you really haven't read the OT much.

that's really ironic.

No it's not. I haven't missed my own point.

lol, and you don't understand why my responses don't make sense? you don't even know what i'm talking about.

Humans owning slaves today has nothing to do with my point, so you are correct, I don't really know what you are talking about.

[z0sa]

Jaywalking laws help keep people happier, healthier and safer.

Coveting your neighbor's " " is a worthless law, especially considering that "thou shalt not steal" is a law as well.

Yet, coveting your neighbor's " " is punishable by death.

Keep on missing the point.



Breaking the law is wrong.

Yes, I have an issue with a punishment of death for breaking some of those 10 commandments.

Your posts are horrible.



I'm the one making the point.

You saying I missed my own point is not surprising.



It's a sin now, but divorce was ok in the OT. That's called a contradiction.

Great job of missing the point again.



Eh, "everyone else was doing it so God let the Israelites do it"



so when your kids fock up, you torture and burn them because they deserve it.

you deserve to be stoned in the street.



and you still unnecessarily missed the point.



finding one direct intervention is enough to prove the point.

and to prove you really haven't read the OT much.



No it's not. I haven't missed my own point.



Humans owning slaves today has nothing to do with my point, so you are correct, I don't really know what you are talking about.

i've answered all this , if you're making a point and i respond to it, and you say i missed the point and i say you missed the point of my responses, who's to say who's right and who's wrong? I just won't go on. You have your view, I have mine.

[Blake]

Call it stupid or whatever but the decline in religion and faith is why so many young punks have no regard to human life or suffering and they are going to pass it on to their kids.

source?

[Blake]

i've answered all this , if you're making a point and i respond to it, and you say i missed the point and i say you missed the point of my responses, who's to say who's right and who's wrong? I just won't go on. You have your view, I have mine.

The punishment of death is not a just punishment for coveting your neighbor's " ".

You have your views and I have mine.

My view is that your a moron.

[z0sa]

The punishment of death is not a just punishment for coveting your neighbor's " ".

You have your views and I have mine.

My view is that your a moron.

cool

[z0sa]

source?

critical thinking, i thought you were introduced?

[Phenomanul]

enlarging fonts proves nothing and is even more pathetic

I simply pointed out that the entire basis for this nagging discussion has been your opinion.... enlarging the font was nothing more than an attempt to highlight that basis as a point of emphasis since apparently you aren't addressing the focal points of my arguments.

Regardless of anything you have said, your tirades, and smug confidence are all based on your opinion and nothing else...

That you would then use your opinion as the basis to call others morons... simply demonstrates your childish need to reaffirm and feed your insecurity complex. That's what's pathetic...

No, ILMSM insisted that Heaven will remain the same.

I was playing logic games off of that notion.

Thanks for not reading.

Really???

[please cite] source, scripture that says Heaven will be changed.

otherwise, your assumption is off base.

exactly how will you be above the angels in heaven? source, scripture, please.

and

unless you can prove that Heaven has changed, angels have the capacity and free will to sin while you do not.

Seems to me that angels are higher in the scheme of things.

Seems to me like you were confused by your own games... that is a mighty strange way of suggesting that you needed to be convinced of something that you already believed.... or it could be that you are now backpedalling despite your denial???... hmmm...

I have never backpedaled.

My opinion is that if sinned is removed and heaven is the same today as it always has been, then free will no longer exists for humans.

I'm not sure what reference you need to substantiate that logic.

Thanks again for not reading.

You really don't need to substantiate your opinion... That's kind of the point.

If you call someone else out based solely on your opinion however... then at that point you need to provide a little more substance...

Now regarding your particular opinion.... the four scriptures I cited clearly stated that heaven will in fact be different in the future. Your leap in logic on how that change will impact free-will is unfounded.

By the way, I thought you said you weren't arguing against the notion that heaven would change? Here you again imply that it will remain the same... Which is it? You clearly aren't reading peoples responses or following the thread... and to top it off, your out-of-context sneers aren't really doing much for your cause.

I don't recall sending a memo that stated I was the world's expert on the subject.

When then, don't act like you are. Simple really.

Of course, by your logic, just because we haven't seen such a memo, it doesn't mean that such a memo doesn't exist.

Clearly why I stated you should feel free to post it. But you're right! The existence of such a memo would require supernatural intervention, cause clearly you're not much of an expert on these matters...

Thanks for verifying my moronic status.

Memo to Phenomanul: "I, Blake, am a moron."

Fixed.

Don't even bother responding. Feed your insecurities elsewhere...

[Blake]

critical thinking, i thought you were introduced?

making an unsubstantiated claim is not critical thinking.

dictionary meet zosa

[ALVAREZ6]

again, its not hard to see i'm walking on your 'beliefs' in science, and it pisses you off. Don't lie about. Just admit it and question what exactly I'm saying, instead of insulting me.

It doesn't piss me off, if you're that stupid there's little I can do...people being stupid who I don't have to deal with in my life have no effect on me.

[ALVAREZ6]

Call it stupid or whatever but the decline in religion and faith is why so many young punks have no regard to human life or suffering and they are going to pass it on to their kids.

lol, you are also now on the moron list.

[z0sa]

It doesn't piss me off, if you're that stupid there's little I can do...people being stupid who I don't have to deal with in my life have no effect on me.

back to the insults.

you're the moron here.

[z0sa]

making an unsubstantiated claim is not critical thinking.

dictionary meet zosa

he stated an opinion thinly veiled as a claim.

unless you care to back up "young punks" with some surveys on young punks? otherwise, back to a lack of critical thinking on your part.

[Blake]

I simply pointed out that the entire basis for this nagging discussion has been your opinion.... enlarging the font was nothing more than an attempt to highlight that basis as a point of emphasis since apparently you aren't addressing the focal points of my arguments.

restate your arguments again, and I'll address and debunk them again for you.

Regardless of anything you have said, your tirades, and smug confidence are all based on your opinion and nothing else...

me calling you a moron is not a tirade.

you enlarging font is.

That you would then use your opinion as the basis to call others morons... simply demonstrates your childish need to reaffirm and feed your insecurity complex. That's what's pathetic...

you enlarge and color your font to feed your insecurity complex.

Pathetic.

Really???

Really!!!

Seems to me like you were confused by your own games... that is a mighty strange way of suggesting that you needed to be convinced of something that you already believed.... or it could be that you are now backpedalling despite your denial???... hmmm...

I addressed my opinion and logic quite clearly based on the opinion of other posters.

could it be that you fail to read??? hmmm

You really don't need to substantiate your opinion... That's kind of the point.

No it's not.

If you call someone else out based solely on your opinion however... then at that point you need to provide a little more substance...

I provided my reasons for the apparent paradox that free will is removed if Heaven is the same today as it was when Lucifer had the free will to rise up against God.

could it be that you fail to read??? hmmm

Now regarding your particular opinion.... the four scriptures I cited clearly stated that heaven will in fact be different in the future. Your leap in logic on how that change will impact free-will is unfounded.

the four scriptures you cited say there will be "new heaven(s)"......not "different" heavens in regards to free will...

the writers are pretty clearly referring to the sky.

could it be that you fail to read??? hmmm

By the way, I thought you said you weren't arguing against the notion that heaven would change? Here you again imply that it will remain the same... Which is it? You clearly aren't reading peoples responses or following the thread... and to top it off, your out-of-context sneers aren't really doing much for your cause.

the same out of context sneers you are giving?

your hypocritical posts and failure to read are doing nothing for your cause.

When then, don't act like you are. Simple really.

Getting information from the Bible and referencing other sources is not me sending a memo that I am an expert. Simple really.

Clearly why I stated you should feel free to post it. But you're right! The existence of such a memo would require supernatural intervention, cause clearly your not much of an expert on these matters...

Memo to Phenomanul: This memo exists and you are a moron.

[Blake]

he stated an opinion thinly veiled as a claim.

great. I asked for a source to back up his thinly veiled claim.

unless you care to back up "young punks" with some surveys on young punks? otherwise, back to a lack of critical thinking on your part.

I didn't make any sort of claim concerning young punks.

Back to a lack of reading a dictionary on your part.

[z0sa]

great. I asked for a source to back up his thinly veiled claim.

and a lack of critical thinking is why you asked.

otherwise, you're just playing stupid. which is it?

I didn't make any sort of claim concerning young punks.

no, you made a claim that his claim is unsubstantiated, when asking to substantiate a thinly veiled opinion would clearly denote a lack of critical thinking.

i understand, you just wanted to shoot him down because he has no source - don't act like you weren't now. But why would you do that when everyone knows its just an opinion? because you're a bag?

Back to a lack of reading a dictionary on your part.

you're just easily confused. He even said, "call it stupid or whatever..." because its an opinion, regardless if he stated it as fact. You running to call him stupid immediately afterward just further proves what a self righteous prick you are.

It's not that hard to differentiate between opinions and facts, no matter how they're worded.

[peewee's lovechild]

You ask Denny's to enter your stomach.

Denny must be well hung.

[Blake]

and a lack of critical thinking is why you asked.

otherwise, you're just playing stupid. which is it?

he made a claim and didn't post a source. I asked for a source.

you're just being stupid.

no, you made a claim that his claim is unsubstantiated, when asking to substantiate a thinly veiled opinion would clearly denote a lack of critical thinking.

he made a claim and didn't post a source. I asked for a source.

you're just being stupid.

i understand, you just wanted to shoot him down because he has no source - don't act like you weren't now. But why would you do that when everyone knows its just an opinion? because you're a bag?

I didn't shoot him down.

he made a claim and didn't post a source. I asked for a source.

you're just being stupid.

you're just easily confused. He even said, "call it stupid or whatever..." because its an opinion, regardless if he stated it as fact. You running to call him stupid immediately afterward just further proves what a self righteous prick you are.

I didn't run to call him stupid.

he made a claim and didn't post a source. I asked for a source.

I'm calling you stupid.

It's not that hard to differentiate between opinions and facts, no matter how they're worded.

You even agreed it was worded as a claim, no matter how thinly veiled it was.

he made a claim and didn't post a source. I asked for a source.

you're just being stupid.

[baseline bum]

I think you're all morons, for arguing with z0sa. It's like trying to talk sense to 9-11 Truthers.

[z0sa]

I think you're all morons, for arguing with z0sa. It's like trying to talk sense to 9-11 Truthers.

that ones been used before. just like every one of your takes.

just keep on rehashing, man. it's what you do best. don't forget to throw in an insult every so often in a ty attempt to convince others you actually formulate your own opinions.

whatever, this is stupid.


baseline bum, i sent you a pm.

[E20]

lol this thread made me somewhat more religous.