That was the worst officiated series I have ever seen, and it's not close.
I disagree with what you said DPG21920. I agree with what Cry Havoc has said right here.
The NBA refs are total garbage and a series like in 2006 make you wonder if the league is favoring certain teams in certain games.
Who are the best NBA refs anyway? I thought someone said a couple of years ago that Danny Crawford is a good ref. Where is he right now? Is he officiating any games?
Well you can disagree all you want, but why would the league favor a team in certain years and not another?
Was the league favoring the Spurs in 99, 03, 05, 07?
No one was going to stop Duncan & Co. in any of those years. That's not the NBA stopping him, it's keeping the damage to a minimum. The only argument you could possibly make for a team having a chance to beat the Spurs is the Suns in 07.
So only in the years the Spurs lost, could the refs stop them?
You do realize how that sounds...Plenty of teams could have stopped the Spurs from winning a le in some of those years.
its not an 'either-or' thing. the league doesnt control the outcome of everything, all the time. it would be obvious and no one would watch. but keep in mind the nba IS a business, and from time to time they certainly do have the ability-and the motive- to nudge things in a certain direction. there are ideal scenarios and unfavorable scenarios for the league. every now and then they can subtly intervene-whether it be biased through officiating, or gift trades- to help steer away from what they consider an unacceptable situation.
2006* was one of these occassions.
The bottom line about yesterday: It's not the officials fault Dallas was down 0-2 and couldn't afford a loss. It's not their fault Josh and Jet both missed free throws in the final two minutes that would've made anything Melo did at the end irrelevant. It's not their fault that Dirk missed a jumper that would've clinched it, or that Wright elected to stop playing when he didn't hear a whistle. When you don't play a perfect game and give the other team a chance at the end, you leave yourself open to lucky shots and/or incorrect calls by the officials.
The correct call in that instance is foul on the floor by Antoine Wright and side out for Denver with 2 seconds left. The Nuggets are simply a better team and would've won the series anyways, so now the only suspense is if Dallas can avoid a sweep.
Exactly. Salvatore is a actually a home-cooking kind of ref, and there's no doubt in my mind the league wanted Dallas to win yesterday so the series would last longer. But as we can see, the only guarantee you're getting with Salvatore is atrocious calls that negatively affect both teams.
Yeah, college is so REAL that the home team almost always goes +10 at the FT line.
Say what you will about NBA officials, but (SADLY) they are still - by far - the best in the world at what they do.
Much respect, Findog..I'm glad a Mavs fan has come out and just said they were beat. I said the same thing when Dallas beat us...they were just the better team in that series..period.
I thought it was ing re ed when they replayed the Miami game where Shaq was supposed to have fouled out, but if you're going to do it then, they should definite replay last nights game which actually matters. This league is such a joke that they can't even follow their own re ed guidelines. Consistency is what we need, preferably consistently fair. But at this point, I'll even take consistently bad, so we at least know what to expect in a given situation.
I agree with that..I thought it was completely ignorant to replay that game...But it's happened before
Matchup: Heat at Hawks
Date: Dec. 19, 2007
Scenario: The Heat protested because, with 51.9 seconds remaining in OT, the Hawks' scoring table personnel incorrectly disqualified Miami's Shaquille O'Neal, asserting that a foul committed by O'Neal was his sixth of the game (it was only his fifth). Misstep: The Hawks' official scorer mistakenly attributed to O'Neal a foul at 3:24 remaining in the fourth quarter that was actually called against the Heat's Udonis Haslem.
Ruling: The protest will result is the ending of the game being replayed.
Matchup: Lakers at Spurs
Date: Nov. 30, 1982
Scenario: The Spurs claimed misapplication of the lane violation rule with 3 seconds left.
Ruling: Protest was upheld on grounds that the error clearly affected the outcome of the game.
Matchup: Nets at 76ers
Date: Nov. 8, 1978
Scenario: Nets claimed misapplication of technical foul rule in second quarter resulting in four unwarranted free throws and ejection of their head coach.
Ruling: Protest upheld on grounds that the error clearly affected the outcome of the game.
Matchup: Celtics at Lakers
Date: Dec. 8, 1954
Scenario: The Celtics claimed that the final two free throws by Vern Mikkelsen were not valid because they came on a foul committed after the game ended.
Ruling: Commissioner Maurice Podoloff upheld the referee's ruling.
-- Compiled by ESPN Research
And this could be done for this game...but the fact that it's a foul that was the problem..not something that was out of the Mavericks control. But it wouldn't hurt me if they decided to replay it. Won't happen though.
They can replay the end of the game, but it would never happen. Bizarre to me that they would go out of their way to replay the end of a Hawks-Heat game when Shaq was incorrectly fouled out...after Shaq was traded, and in a regular season game of no significance to either team. But they won't replay this.
Exactly..even though if any of those games should be replayed, it'd be this one.
Or the Spurs/Lakers from last year...
More than anything else, people are frustrated at the inconsistency of the league's decisions. They move heaven and earth to replay that Hawks-Heat game, and this directly affects a series. At 2-1, it's still a series. Denver still in control, Dallas still an underdog, but still a series. At 3-0, Denver has practically moved on. And it's out of the question to replay the final 3 seconds of that game.
It's inexcusable for Wright to not play to the whistle, but in a game that featured 89 free throws, his two swipes and nudges to Melo's arm cons uted a foul...especially when that was his intention.
Bad call for sure. But why did Wright do the universal signal for I am not fouling?
good question
What goes around comes around...
http://www.boston.com/sports/basketb...driving_force/
Harm, but no foul
Fresh from the Too Little, Too Late Dept. comes word that the NBA rescinded the technical foul against San Antonio's Michael Finley in the second quarter of Game 4 in Dallas. Finley was called for a technical with 4:44 remaining in the half, and it appeared to be borderline at best. ``You can imagine what I wanted to say when I heard that," said Spurs coach Gregg Popovich, who found out about the decision Thursday. ``Does that mean we win the game by 1 point?" Game 4, which was played May 15, went into overtime, and the Mavericks prevailed, 123-118, so the technical was huge. (Dirk Nowitzki made the free throw.) For Finley, it means he won't have to fork over $1,000 to the league. For the Spurs, it means yet another tough break in a series they just as easily could have won.
http://communities.canada.com/sharei...ue-admits.aspx
In a split second the San Antonio Spurs went from having a good shot at winning the Western Conference final to having almost none. Now the league says the refs made a mistake.
For those of you who missed it, in the dying seconds of Game 4, with the Lakers up 93-91, Lakers defender Derek Fisher bumped Spurs guard Brent Barry as Barry was preparing to take the final shot from just out side the three point arc. No call was made, and Barry heaved up a shot that clanked off the right side of the rim. The Lakers won the game to go up 3-1 in the series.
On Thursday, however, the league admitted the refs should have called Fisher for a foul before the shot, which would have sent Barry, who made 95 per cent of his free throws this season, to the line for a chance to tie the game.
"With the benefit of instant replay, it appears a foul call should have been made," said NBA spokesman Tim Frank.
What confuses matters, however, is what another NBA spokesman, Brian McIntyre, had told the Los Angeles Times before Frank made his statement:
"There is an explanation in the rule book that there are times during games when the degree of certainty necessary to determine a foul involving physical contact is higher. That comes during impact time when the intensity has risen, especially at the end of a game. In other words, if you're going to call something then, be certain."
Spurs coach Greg Popovich told the Times he'd never heard of such an explanation. But what the league says hardly matters now. The game is over and done with. And so, almost certainly, is the Spurs' season.
To avoid getting called for a shooting foul?
Bavetta's phantom technical on Finley in that spot is truly one of the least frequently discussed, completely atrocious calls of all time. Was it series-altering? Who knows. But after having Duncan foul out in the 4th quarter of Game 3 on an extremely questionable call (the Spurs lost game 3 despite shooting 76% from the field (13-17) in the 4th quarter, in part because the Mavericks shot 22 free throws in that same quarter), Game 4 was vital; Bavetta hit Finley with a second quarter technical that was inexplicable. As regulation wound down, the Mavs tied the game on 2 Nowitzki free throws with about 8 seconds to go; but had they been trailing by 3 instead of two, the end game would have been very different. And as Tim Duncan said afterward: "One play either way, one call either way, whatever it may be, it came down to that." The Spurs had their chances and lost because they didn't execute, but that atrocious te al didn't help their cause.
The foul was not in the act of shooting. He was trying to foul him then put his arms up.
I think there is blame to go around for that episode.
Blame the ref for not making the seemingly obvious call. But, when a guy pulls his hands up like he wasn't trying to foul its hard to think he was intentionally fouling. And you don't want to be the ref who called a weak touch foul in a last second situation.
Blame Wright for:
1. Not telling the refs he was going to intentionally foul -- I haven't heard anywhere that he did inform the refs.
2. Not wrapping up Carmelo
3. Not playing to the whistle.
That being said you don't want to let him get in the shooting motion and get three free throws. That has to be the reason he pulled his arms back -- to say "hey I fouled but look it was before the shot".
All around a failure. I guess the best way to go about it would have been informing the ref about the intentional foul and then making sure you got it before the shot and played to the whistle. Tough situation.
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