How good will Bynum be?

[Spuradicator]

Talk about a pre mature ejaculation thread.

Tim Duncan level???

Lakers would be lucky if he reaches the level of Camby's play. And thats me being generous.

[Allanon]

In the West I'd take Kaman, Camby, Yao, and Oden over Bynum right now. Easily. If you throw in players like Al Jefferson and Tim Duncan and Carlos Boozer, who can all play C, I don't think Bynum would make the top 10. I mean, if you're ruling out Yao and Oden cause they're injured, you have to rule Bynum out because he's injured too, and that makes the entire question invalid. And right now Bynum appears to be the most injury prone of all of them, not to mention prone to letting himself get out of shape.

Kaman
47% Field Goal%
13.1 rebounds
2.9 blocks
16 points per game
38 Minutes

Bynum
63% Field goal%
10 rebounds
2.1 Blocks
13.1 Points per game
28 Minutes

Bynum was not a starter early in the season, if you gave Bynum Kaman minutes, he would have Kaman beat by far. Bynum had the #1 field goal percentage in the NBA before he went down with injury.

Oden hasn't even played a single NBA game, nobody even knows if he's a bust yet.

Camby brings a better defensive game but average offense. Bynum brings both decent defense and dominating offense. There isn't a GM in the NBA that would take Camby over Bynum right now.

Al Jefferson, Duncan and Boozer are Power Forwards.

As for Centers, Yao, is better than Bynum, DHo is better than Bynum, still can't think of another yet.

[mavs>spurs2]

Kaman
47% Field Goal%
13.1 rebounds
2.9 blocks
16 points per game
38 Minutes

Bynum
63% Field goal%
10 rebounds
2.1 Blocks
13.1 Points per game
28 Minutes

Bynum was not a starter early in the season, if you gave Bynum Kaman minutes, he would have Kaman beat by far. Bynum had the #1 field goal percentage in the NBA before he went down with injury.

Oden hasn't even played a single NBA game, nobody even knows if he's a bust yet.

Camby brings a better defensive game but average offense. Bynum brings both decent defense and dominating offense. There isn't a GM in the NBA that would take Camby over Bynum right now.

Al Jefferson, Duncan and Boozer are Power Forwards.

As for Centers, Yao, is better than Bynum, DHo is better than Bynum, still can't think of another yet.

Shaq is still better than bynum when he decides to play. Amare Stoudamire played center for 3 years, that makes him a center. Really there is no difference between PF and C as all the good players can play both spots, they're really just both called post. Kaman and Bynum is a wash, and Tyson Chandler isn't really far behind. You can't just say Bynum is such a dominant center just because most players prefer the power forward label now days, fact is Bynum is a pretty decent post with potential to be a good post.

[Allanon]

Shaq is still better than bynum when he decides to play. Amare Stoudamire played center for 3 years, that makes him a center. Really there is no difference between PF and C as all the good players can play both spots, they're really just both called post. Kaman and Bynum is a wash, and Tyson Chandler isn't really far behind. You can't just say Bynum is such a dominant center just because most players prefer the power forward label now days, fact is Bynum is a pretty decent post with potential to be a good post.

Haven't you read all the Shaq is washed up articles? Or the Shaq should retire articles? Have you looked at Shaq's stats this year?

Kaman can't stop Bynum. Bynum can stop Kaman. In 10 less minutes per game, Bynum almost matches Kaman. That is not a wash. In the December game, Kaman shot 31% against Bynum's 78%

Amare is a Power Forward. And as a Power forward, he is better Power Forward than Bynum. But as a Center, he gets dominated by Bynum. Didn't you see the Christmas day game? Bynum scored 28 points on 85% shooting over Amare.

Tyson Chandler got dominated by Bynum. Bynum shot 80%, scored more points, grabbed more rebounds, and blocked more shots in 8 less minutes. Tyson is Gerald Green's barefoot dunk to Dwight Howard's Superman dunk.

Power Forwards are power forwards, Centers are Centers. Is Bynum already that good that we can't find a better "CENTER"?

[LakerMagic]

Haven't you read all the Shaq is washed up articles? Or the Shaq should retire articles? Have you looked at Shaq's stats this year?

Kaman can't stop Bynum. Bynum can stop Kaman. In 10 less minutes per game, Bynum almost matches Kaman. That is not a wash. In the December game, Kaman shot 31% against Bynum's 78%

Amare is a Power Forward. And as a Power forward, he is better than Bynum. But as a Center, he gets dominated by Bynum. Didn't you see the Christmas day game? Bynum scored 28 points on 85% shooting over Amare.

Power Forwards are power forwards, Centers are Centers. Is Bynum already that good that we can't find a better "CENTER"?

Bynum>Amare...and for years to come. That is why I didn't even include that dumbass in my poll.

[mavs>spurs2]

Haven't you read all the Shaq is washed up articles? Or the Shaq should retire articles? Have you looked at Shaq's stats this year?

Kaman can't stop Bynum. Bynum can stop Kaman. In 10 less minutes per game, Bynum almost matches Kaman. That is not a wash. In the December game, Kaman shot 31% against Bynum's 78%

Amare is a Power Forward. And as a Power forward, he is better Power Forward than Bynum. But as a Center, he gets dominated by Bynum. Didn't you see the Christmas day game? Bynum scored 28 points on 85% shooting over Amare.

Tyson Chandler got dominated by Bynum. Bynum shot 80%, scored more points, grabbed more rebounds, and blocked more shots in 8 less minutes. Tyson is Gerald Green's barefoot dunk to Dwight Howard's Superman dunk.

Power Forwards are power forwards, Centers are Centers. Is Bynum already that good that we can't find a better "CENTER"?

So just because Bynum got the better of Amare in one regular season game you're dismissing all the other power forwards? Power forward or Center is just a label and most great post players can play either efficiently. Tim Duncan actually plays more minutes at Center, and i'm definately taking Duncan in that matchup. Same goes for when Garnett plays center. And if you saw Shaq get the better of Duncan and completely take him out of the game in the last Suns/Spurs matchup then you will understand what i'm saying about Shaq. And don't get your hopes up just yet because of one promising half season, these are Erica Dampiers numbers from his final season in Golden State:
12.3 PPG
12.0 RPG
54% FG%
1.9 BPG
All of this in only 32 minutes per game.

I'm not saying Bynum won't be a good player, he's already very promising, I just don't think he is anywhere near Hall of Fame potential. I think he will be a solid 15 and 10 guy for the rest of his career and have a few all star selections. If Bynum can continue to play like an all star and with him, Kobe, and Gasol healthy the Lakers will most likely win at least one championship in the near future.

[LakeShow]

What do you expect, when as laker fans you troll?

It's the spurs fans trolling in the NBA forum!

If he had said, "Shawn Bradley" i bet he would have got the most votes.

[Gino]

Bynum>Amare...and for years to come. That is why I didn't even include that dumbass in my poll.

Whoe else is Bynum better than?

According to Hollinger's statistics, the only players playing at higher level than Amare are LeBron and Chris Paul:

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/holli...r%2fstatistics

Of course, Im sure Laker fans just dismiss Hollinger's stats since Kobe's so low in the rankings.

[DazedAndConfused]

Bynum is only 20 years old. The fact that he is even being compared to the top centers in the WC is amazing right now considering how raw he was coming into the league. His jumps from year to year have been nothing short of amazing.

There is not a GM in this league that believes Bynum will become the next Elden Cambell.

[Allanon]

So just because Bynum got the better of Amare in one regular season game you're dismissing all the other power forwards? Power forward or Center is just a label and most great post players can play either efficiently. Tim Duncan actually plays more minutes at Center, and i'm definately taking Duncan in that matchup. Same goes for when Garnett plays center. And if you saw Shaq get the better of Duncan and completely take him out of the game in the last Suns/Spurs matchup then you will understand what i'm saying about Shaq. And don't get your hopes up just yet because of one promising half season, these are Erica Dampiers numbers from his final season in Golden State:
12.3 PPG
12.0 RPG
54% FG%
1.9 BPG
All of this in only 32 minutes per game.

I'm not saying Bynum won't be a good player, he's already very promising, I just don't think he is anywhere near Hall of Fame potential. I think he will be a solid 15 and 10 guy for the rest of his career and have a few all star selections. If Bynum can continue to play like an all star and with him, Kobe, and Gasol healthy the Lakers will most likely win at least one championship in the near future.

Bynum played better than Amare in BOTH their matchups this year. In the first LA vs Phx Matchup, Bynum shot 70%, Amare shot 20%, 13 rebounds to 1 Amare rebound.

Are you kidding me? Duncan doesn't play Center, he has Fabricio and KT and had David Robinson, why would he play more minutes at Center? Duncan is the greatest Power Forward of all time because he does Power Forward things like shoot the 15-20 footer.

Shaq WAS better than Bynum and CAN be better than Bynum on some nights. But on most nights, he isn't.

I'm not sure Bynum will be a Hall of Famer or not either. Heck, I don't even know if he's even going to be any good the rest of this year. I'm just saying so far this year, he's proven to be the best Center behind Yao and DHo.

If he comes back and improves each year, he'll have a brilliant David Robinson or better career. Or he could come back, suck bad, and be the next KandiMan or Mark "Mad Dog" Madsen

[Allanon]

Whoe else is Bynum better than?

According to Hollinger's statistics, the only players playing at higher level than Amare are LeBron and Chris Paul:

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/holli...r%2fstatistics

Of course, Im sure Laker fans just dismiss Hollinger's stats since Kobe's so low in the rankings.

Amare is a stats padder. Just watch the next Phoenix blowout game and you'll see Amare trying to get 30 points even if his team is up by 20 with 2 minutes left to play. He can't play a lick of defense either.

And on that same Hollinger list, you'll see Bynum is #14 behind only Dwight Howard as far as Centers go

[mavs>spurs2]

Are you kidding me? Duncan doesn't play Center, he has Fabricio and KT and had David Robinson, why would he play more minutes at Center? Duncan is the greatest Power Forward of all time because he does Power Forward things like shoot the 15-20 footer.

Spur fans will have to help me out here, they posted some stats from some site a while back (it might have been 82games.com) showing that Duncan actually played more minutes at the Center position than Power Forward back when everyone was upset that Tim was listed as a center on the all star ballot.

That said, Bynum is a fine player and good luck to you guys in the playoffs although right now it's looking like my Mavs will be the ones needing all the luck they can get..

[Gino]

Amare is a stats padder. Just watch the next Phoenix blowout game and you'll see Amare trying to get 30 points even if his team is up by 20 with 2 minutes left to play. He can't play a lick of defense either.

Charlie Rosen? Is that you?

Congratulations on jumping on the "Amare can't/doesn't play defense cliche'".

The "Amare pads his stats" his a newer one. Was he padding his stats when he dropped 37 points, 15 rebounds and 3 blocks on the Lakers the last time they played? Was that all "garbage time" minutes?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=280220021

[Allanon]

Spur fans will have to help me out here, they posted some stats from some site a while back (it might have been 82games.com) showing that Duncan actually played more minutes at the Center position than Power Forward back when everyone was upset that Tim was listed as a center on the all star ballot.

That said, Bynum is a fine player and good luck to you guys in the playoffs although right now it's looking like my Mavs will be the ones needing all the luck they can get..

Thanks, I'm rooting for the Mavs actually and think they'll still be a top 4 seed in the West.

I like compe ive games regardless of what team it is...Mavs are much better than the way they are playing.

[mavs>spurs2]

Thanks, I'm rooting for the Mavs actually and think they'll still be a top 4 seed in the West.

I like compe ive games regardless of what team it is...Mavs are much better than the way they are playing.

Yea I agree about the Mavs being much better than they are showing, it's just a matter of pulling their heads out of their asses and fixing whatever is wrong, and honestly I'm not quite sure what that is.

Right now I think the Spurs or Lakers will represent the West but regardless of what anyone says I still think Phoenix and Dallas are too dangerous to count out.

[Allanon]

Charlie Rosen? Is that you?

Congratulations on jumping on the "Amare can't/doesn't play defense cliche'".

The "Amare pads his stats" his a newer one. Was he padding his stats when he dropped 37 points, 15 rebounds and 3 blocks on the Lakers the last time they played? Was that all "garbage time" minutes?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=280220021

Are you kidding me? Do you even watch Suns games? Amare outside of his blocking is probably the worst defender of any star type player. He makes Dirk Nowitzki look like Bruce Bowen.

Just go visit the Suns forums and you'll see Suns fans wishing he would play some defense. You can pretty much walk into the paint and do your thing while he watches.

Look at that Phoenix vs Lakers game you linked to. He was playing against another defensively challenged center "Pau Gasol". They both scored the out of each other. Pau had 29 points on 68% shooting, Amare had 37 on 54% shooting. Pau only played 34 minutes to Amare's 42 so you can add in 100% shooting by Ronny Turiaf.

Amare and Defense is like Fire and Water...they don't mix

[manufor3]

camby

[Obstructed_View]

Funny last I checked he's never had a knee surgery.

Yeah, I don't know why I said that. I meant injuries. Sorry.

[nkdlunch]

what do you expect from a spurs forum? Never give them a choice like that, they'll chose it every time.

I don't know just yet about Bynum, the thing is that he is so young and still growing. A full season will tell you more about his future. I know one thing he will be one of the best centers of today! How he matches up with the greats, the jury's still out!

[Indazone]

6'6" Chuck Hayes owns Bynum.

[024]

can't really judge bynum until next season when that $12 million contract kicks in. then he will be under the spotlight.

[Spursfan092120]

Wow..people actually think Bynum will be on the same level as 2 of the Top 50 of all time? That's absolutely insane.

[Xylus]

Bynum>Amare...and for years to come. That is why I didn't even include that dumbass in my poll.

Even DoK might disagree with you on that one.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Even DoK might disagree with you on that one.

I would. Saying Bynum > Amare right now is re ed.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I think Amare could tear the retina in his other eye and still put up better numbers in the playoffs than Bynum has.