Kenyon Martin foul on Dirk

[Obstructed_View]

That may not be what's going on with you, but it's certainly been true of many of your brethren.

It is what it is. I just think it's funny that so many Mavs fans go out of there way to admonish Spurs fans who whine about officiating -- no matter how principled and valid the complaints might be -- only to then turn around and about officiating and maintain that such complaints are reasonable because they're only ing about how crappy officiating has been in general (but mostly when it hoses the Mavericks)

Findog and Mono would rather lead the charge to shout people down who dare to have an opinion on this forum, which they somehow think belongs to them just because they on virtually every thread whenever they choose. Every other Mavfan drops into lock step with them because it's easier to call someone a got than it is to discuss basketball. As a result, some of us really enjoy watching them continue to suffer, and the bail out call for Dirk on yet another missed fadeaway jumper in crunchtime just prolongs the agony for them. I for one am enjoying it immensely.

[JoseJuanJesusBarea]

It is funny that many Mavs' fans complaints about officiating are always justified as entirely principled, but if anyone dares say that his team got hosed by officials in a game against the Mavs, the same chorus shouts down the "whiner."

Oh God, really? So what you're saying is that the Mavs fanbase is like.. um... EVERY OTHER FANBASE IN PROFESSIONAL SPORTS? Oh man, they should of had you on TNT last night providing commentary instead of that other dude. I mean, that little nugget of wisdom you just dropped is simply incredible.

[icem]

surely SOMEONE captured the game right ????? the fact that they refused to show a replay, even in the postgame show really makes me want to see this play again.

[layupdrill]

Game 5 gonna be ugly in Denver

[Morg1411]

Game 5 gonna be ugly in Denver

I can't wait. Too bad Cuban decided to puss out.

[FromWayDowntown]

Oh God, really? So what you're saying is that the Mavs fanbase is like.. um... EVERY OTHER FANBASE IN PROFESSIONAL SPORTS? Oh man, they should of had you on TNT last night providing commentary instead of that other dude. I mean, that little nugget of wisdom you just dropped is simply incredible.

Sure -- just like everyone else, only far more disdainful of those who are so much like they are.

Seriously. I've been here through a lot and I've rarely seen a group of fans be more certain of the fact that their team is being screwed by officials and, yet, less willing to listen to others who believe the same of their own teams.

[JoseJuanJesusBarea]

Sure -- just like everyone else, only far more disdainful of those who are so much like they are.

Seriously. I've been here through a lot and I've rarely seen a group of fans be more certain of the fact that their team is being screwed by officials and, yet, less willing to listen to others who believe the same of their own teams.

Well it's a good thing the collection of trolls here at SpursTalk provides you with a valid representation of the collective Mavericks fanbase.

Maybe Mavs fans are a little hesitant to give a about a foul on Dirk that may or may not have been phantom if they didn't see the end of game 3 just two nights before? Genius. I mean, does anyone even have a shot of the foul, or are you all still just bitter that this Mavs team on the verge of a potential 4-1 exit also demolished your Spurs 4-1? That's the only thing I can think of.

Either way you're still sitting here whining about Mavs fans doing something that every fanbase in sports does.

[Findog]

Findog and Mono would rather lead the charge to shout people down who dare to have an opinion on this forum, which they somehow think belongs to them just because they on virtually every thread whenever they choose.

How am I "shouting you down?" Am I preventing you from posting? I get it, you don't like the Mavs; you have your Nuggets cap on for this series. This is simply a case where you've developed a real Aspergers-like tendency lately of going out of your way to on anything Mavs-related. I will not try to prevent you from posting. I will not "shout you down." I will and have mocked your crybaby routine. Feel free to mock me in return. I believe that's called message board give and take.

Every other Mavfan drops into lock step with them because it's easier to call someone a got than it is to discuss basketball.

Have I called you a got? One can't discuss the Mavericks with you, you've let your antipathy get in the way of being able to have any kind of rational discussion. You're a Spurs fan, you wish nothing but L's on my team, I can deal with that. But why are you complaining about your "shabby treatment" and what is being dished at you when you post stuff like this?

As a result, some of us really enjoy watching them continue to suffer, and the bail out call for Dirk on yet another missed fadeaway jumper in crunchtime just prolongs the agony for them. I for one am enjoying it immensely.

[Holmes_Fans]

Is there a video of the foul? I was at the game and don't ever look at the video screen.

[FromWayDowntown]

Well it's a good thing the collection of trolls here at SpursTalk provides you with a valid representation of the collective Mavericks fanbase.

Maybe Mavs fans are a little hesitant to give a about a foul on Dirk that may or may not have been phantom if they didn't see the end of game 3 just two nights before? Genius. I mean, does anyone even have a shot of the foul, or are you all still just bitter that this Mavs team on the verge of a potential 4-1 exit also demolished your Spurs 4-1? That's the only thing I can think of.

Either way you're still sitting here whining about Mavs fans doing something that every fanbase in sports does.

I'm not talking about the foul call at the end of Game 4 in particular. My comments here have all been general in nature.

I am, however, talking about the incessant whining from Mavs fans who've: (1) been here for a long time; and (2) aren't treated by other Mavs fans as trolls. Among that group, there is a very large number who are rabid about calling out the whining of other fan groups when issues of officiating are brought up, but who complain non-stop about the unfair officiating they believe to be visited upon the Mavericks. This thread is hardly alone in showing that duplicity. And I think it's interesting that the duplicity comes most vehemently from Mavericks fans. That's all. Nobody is as quick to pile on officiating (or to remain on it after 2006?). And, curiously, nobody else is as strident in calling out those who pile on officiating.

That's my point. It doesn't matter in particular that it's Mavericks fans. It could be Bobcats fans, and I'd make the same point.

I don't have any problem with the fact that the Spurs lost to the Mavericks. It was pretty obvious going into that series that the Spurs would be extremely fortunate to win and that they weren't close to being an elite team once the playoffs rolled around. I've made those points and given the Mavs plenty of respect for beating the Spurs, so you can quit with this "butthurt Spurs fan" canard in talking to me.

[mavs>spurs2]

I don't care what anyone says, we SHOULD RIGHTFULLY be tied 2-2 and could very easily be up 3-1, but we got beat the up in game one. As bad as the ending to game 3 was, I think people forget that game 1 was a lot worse. I know we wouldn't beat L.A. or Cleveland, but this kind of thing ruins the integrity of the game. No one wants to see a bunch of thugs and murderers cheat their way into the WCF.

[Morg1411]

I don't care what anyone says, we SHOULD RIGHTFULLY be tied 2-2 and could very easily be up 3-1, but we got beat the up in game one. As bad as the ending to game 3 was, I think people forget that game 1 was a lot worse. I know we wouldn't beat L.A. or Cleveland, but this kind of thing ruins the integrity of the game. No one wants to see a bunch of thugs and murderers cheat their way into the WCF.

I do. the Mavs.

[poop]

I don't care what anyone says, we SHOULD RIGHTFULLY be tied 2-2 and could very easily be up 3-1, but we got beat the up in game one. As bad as the ending to game 3 was, I think people forget that game 1 was a lot worse. I know we wouldn't beat L.A. or Cleveland, but this kind of thing ruins the integrity of the game. No one wants to see a bunch of thugs and murderers cheat their way into the WCF.

Mavs fans = beyond words

[Basketballgirl25]

I don't care what anyone says, we SHOULD RIGHTFULLY be tied 2-2 and could very easily be up 3-1, but we got beat the up in game one. As bad as the ending to game 3 was, I think people forget that game 1 was a lot worse. I know we wouldn't beat L.A. or Cleveland, but this kind of thing ruins the integrity of the game. No one wants to see a bunch of thugs and murderers cheat their way into the WCF.

I'd love to see Nuggets in the WCF. It would be great to see Martin there been a fan of his since he first became a Net. And Martin isn't a thug or murderer, Dallas fans are just mad Dallas is losing, heck I'm sure Kidd is out there thinking when he hears fans call anyone call Martin a thug "These fans are stupid, Martin is a good player I was pissed when the Nets let him go" and I am actually not lying, Kidd was pissed when Martin went to Denver so you know Kidd respects him

[Spurminator]

Hand checks, moving screens, clear-outs in the lane, over the back on rebounds... I don't understand the damn game anymore. Seriously, about half the time I can't find any connection between the calls (and no-calls) and what's happening on the floor. And now you have to try and figure out what is a flagrant and what isn't - and that probably makes the least sense of all.

I'm still a Spurs fan, but I can honestly say that I am approaching the point where I am not an NBA fan. It's kind of hard to reconcile those two, but I'm getting tired of watching something that feels more like the WWF than the game of basketball.

Really what it reminds me of is those gymnastic floor exercises in the Olympics, where there's a lot of dancing around, but it's all just a set-up for a few exciting athletic moves. And the judges are shamelessly biased in favor of one team.

But for the guy ing about that one call - there were plenty to go around. Just before that one, on the other end, Nowitzki was trying to get to a long rebound, and K-Mart damn near pulled his arm out of socket holding him back. It was out in the open, and an official was standing nearby. There's no way he could have missed it. Anybody who wants to get pissed off about the officiating has all the evidence they need. The officiating this whole season has been piss-poor. But the playoffs have taken that to a totally new level.

Whether it's due to fickle fans, the media, bad marketing or a combination of all, the NBA can't sustain a satisfactory level of popularity unless the games are played at the 100+ point level on a regular basis. This means more fouls have to be called, which leads to greater disparity between foul calls. Stars get more respect than scrubs, vets get more respect than rookies, calls decide games, conspiracy theories abound, and so on.

Funny, the most popular month of basketball every year is the NCAA Tournament... Yet it features a lot of blowouts and 61-58 type games. You rarely see the kind of random officiating that abounds in NBA games (even though the NCAA refs are substantially less experienced). Every once in a while the biggest "star" on the court goes for 12 and 6 in a game. BFD.

I'm with you man. The team I wanted to win won, but the game left me wondering whether there was really any point in being emotionally invested in the NBA. I thought the game last night was a glorified foul shooting contest, yet this is what passes for exciting these days. As much as I love the Spurs, I'm not sure how long I can sustain my basketball fandom when they're no longer legitimate contenders.

There are still a lot of things to love about the NBA but there are too many outside influences affecting what happens on the court.

[mavs>spurs2]

I'd love to see Nuggets in the WCF. It would be great to see Martin there been a fan of his since he first became a Net. And Martin isn't a thug or murderer, Dallas fans are just mad Dallas is losing, heck I'm sure Kidd is out there thinking when he hears fans call anyone call Martin a thug "These fans are stupid, Martin is a good player I was pissed when the Nets let him go" and I am actually not lying, Kidd was pissed when Martin went to Denver so you know Kidd respects him

JR Smith is the murderer, not Kenyon Martin. He's just a fake thug

[Basketballgirl25]

JR Smith is the murderer, not Kenyon Martin. He's just a fake thug

So we got a Murderer in JR Smith, a thug in Kenyon Martin, and a wife beater in Kidd, the good NBA players for you right there. Yao and Dirk seem like the only good basketball players of course they also both have eyes I can't stand

[monosylab1k]

Findog and Mono would rather lead the charge to shout people down who dare to have an opinion on this forum , which they somehow think belongs to them just because they on virtually every thread whenever they choose. Every other Mavfan drops into lock step with them because it's easier to call someone a got than it is to discuss basketball. As a result, some of us really enjoy watching them continue to suffer, and the bail out call for Dirk on yet another missed fadeaway jumper in crunchtime just prolongs the agony for them. I for one am enjoying it immensely.

[Phonzie20]

JR Smith is the murderer, not Kenyon Martin. He's just a fake thug

Actually, a couple of my Nugget buddies believe Kenyon got Derrant Williams killed at his NYE's B-Day bash because he let known gang members in.

[GSH]

At the NBA level, it is near impossible. The players are so skilled and so physical. There is actually a foul just about every time down court if you want to get technical. The refs job is to keep it as fair as possible and call that which affects the play. Also, refs have to tighten up when things get heated and let them play when they can or when the players show them that they want to play basketball instead of push and shove.

Here's an example of what I was talking about. If you have the Lakers-Rockets game 6 on your DVR, go to the 7:45 mark of the third quarter. The Lakers were in the process of a miracle WWF-style comeback. Of course, they had also been getting by with murder, which sort of helped.

There was a jump ball at the 7:45 mark. Fisher and Brooks were by themselves, and the tip came in thier direction. Fisher put a huge 2-handed shove, with full arm extension, into Brooks' chest - and that left Fisher open to collect the tip.

I understand a ref missing a call in a crowd, with a lot of bodies in the way, or when it happens away from the main action on the court. But on this play, the two players were all alone, and they were the major point of action on the court because that's where the tipped ball went. And there was a ref right there, maybe 8 feet away from them, with nothing better to do. And it's not like it was a tough discretionary call - Fisher shoved the out of Brooks with both hands, specifically to enable him to get to the tip.

My point is that there is no way... absolutely no ing way... that an NBA ref could have innocently missed that call. , a high school ref couldn't have missed that call. The only conclusion I can come to is that he willfully decided not to blow his whistle. You can decide if you think it is coincidence that it came in the middle of the Lakers amazing comeback.

In the WWF, one guy will beat the out of the other for most of the match, until the victim looks like he is unconscious. Then, suddenly, the victim stands up and begins to dish out his own beating on the other wrestler. The NBA is starting to remind me of that - far too much, and far too often. And when I see calls (or no-calls) like this one, I really begin to have doubts about the legitimacy of the game. And make no mistake - it wasn't the only piss-poor call during that stretch. It is just an easy example to follow.

[dav4463]

I think the NCAA officials are the best officials in sports.

[NugzFan]

I don't care what anyone says, we SHOULD RIGHTFULLY be tied 2-2 and could very easily be up 3-1, but we got beat the up in game one. As bad as the ending to game 3 was, I think people forget that game 1 was a lot worse. I know we wouldn't beat L.A. or Cleveland, but this kind of thing ruins the integrity of the game. No one wants to see a bunch of thugs and murderers cheat their way into the WCF.

[Obstructed_View]

It never ceases to amaze me how Mavfan can refer to another team as thugs with a straight face, at least until JET and Howard are gone.

[Basketballgirl25]

If Kenyon Martin is a thug so be it, I'd love to have him on the Nets again, he is great

[JustBlaze]

JR Smith is the murderer, not Kenyon Martin. He's just a fake thug

Kidd's a wife beater, Nowitzki's a tranny banger, Cuban's a crook(Insider Trading civil suit), and in addition to being a pothead, JHO's also a commi.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8w3mihzzZZM


I got nothing bad to say about Terry though, he cool.