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Not close. Even though melo's one of the best in the league in shooting clutch shots and game winners, he's not a leader. Take away chauncey billups and melo cannot lead the nuggets to where they are now.
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This is one of the most idiotic things i've ever read on here. How many teams have ever won a le with only one superstar or all-star type of player? I mean come on man you're just reaching at this point. still bitter about 2006 i guess.
You're damn right I'm bitter. Wade stole the championship from the team I root for. But seriously, just look at what Wade has done since 2006, nothing to brag about. Wade hasn't done . Remove your lips from his and you will see the truth.
Here's the Hierarchy:
1. Lebron
2. Wade
3. Kobe
10. Carmelo
Kobe is still part of the top 5, but he's no longer the top dog.
I think I ing have got to start a thread led "the offical Rapper is an idiot thread".
noo, certainly not. He is a great player, but for now he is far behind wade or lebron.
Quit being such a bitter Mav homer. Wade singlehandedly beat Detroit and Dallas in 06. Wade as a rookie beat Charlotte before having Shaq and then dropped 21 a game the next round on one of the stingiest defenses in league history, the 04 Pacers (who gave up 90 or more exactly 3 times in 16 playoff games). The next best player on his team this season was Mario Chalmers, a late first-round pick rookie. In addition, he was injured, and he still took Atlanta to 7. No one gives a about your ty book and your revisionist history. Wade has been an elite player in this league from the second he stepped on the floor, and he won a le with a supporting cast that was compared to what Nowitzki had.
Athletically...No
Statistically...No
Intangibles...No
Therefore no bloody way.
Wade most definitely is on Kobe and Lebrons level. Figures your stupid ass would say that.
1st Tier of Team Leaders - Lebron, Kobe, Wade, CP3, Dirk
2nd Tier of Team Leaders - D-Will, Carmello, Bosh, Duncan, Dwight, Joe Johnson, Yao, Nash, Roy, Pierce
The bold doesn't belong on that list. Delusional Dallas fans.
I know you bs a lot to get under people's skin, but please tell me you are joking??? Did you see Wade's team this year? He led them to the playoffs and took the Hawks to 7 games.
Kobe's scrub team >>>>>>>>>>>>>Wade's team this year.
Chauncey Billups gets a lot of credit for propping 'Melo up.
I'm sorry that some of you are like Charles Barkley and love to suck Wade's but I'm just not impressed by the guy. I'm en led to my opinion just like you are. Accept it. Wade is overrated.
Bonner is better than Melo
The fact that he constantly has been leading a team of scrubs or inconsistent, brain-less talents, to 50 wins on a yearly basis, is enough proof that Dirk is a of a leader. Better than most morons like yourself give him credit for being. I would love to see what he could have done with a legit all-star at his side over the past 5 years, as opposed to one guy making an all-star squad as an injury replacement.The bold doesn't belong on that list. Delusional Dallas fans.
You really place Dirk ahead of Duncan? If so, why?
If you state it as if it's a fact, then obviously you don't believe it to be your opinion. You make no sense whatsoever.
The only reason Mavs fans don't like Wade are due to bitterness over the 2006 finals. The same reason many fans of teams like the Pistons and Lakers constantly try to discredit Jordan. Bitterness.
Fact is, Wade is a of a player. His ring and 1st team All-NBA back that fact up.
This year? Yes.
Career? Of course not. I don't place many players ahead of Duncan in terms of career, with the exception of Jordan and Kareem. Everyone else after those two, are debatable. Duncan is a of a leader. But I think injuries have taken its toll on him, and he is not the player he once was, while I think Dirk has actually gotten better. He has been posting up in these playoffs more than he ever has in his career, and has done a damn good job of doing so. In fact, I think he took a page from Duncan's book, and was rarely putting forth full effort all season, instead just doing enough to get a comfortable seeding in the playoffs, but not risking injury and fatigue either, and he has arguably been one of the best 2 players so far in the playoffs (Lebron being the other).
So how does getting injured affect ones leadership abilities?
No, not even close.
He is a poor ball handler, with poor hands in traffic. He has improved on the defensive end, and he is a dangerous scorer though.
Put a good defensive player on him though, and he completely disappears (think Bruce Bowen)
No, but he's closer to them than some people on here give him credit for. He actually has improved his defense. And, for someone who is more accustomed to being purely a scorer, he's actually an adequate passer. Not great by any means, but he's better than some think. And, as many have already mentioned, he's probably as good a pure scorer as there is in this league. Plus, he's proven to be a pretty good clutch player.
Where he doesn't quite measure up is with intangibles other than being able to hit clutch shots, such as overall leadership, pushing his team with emotional intensity, and being clutch in other areas besides scoring, like getting a huge clutch rebound or shutting down someone on defense. Billups obviously helped the Nuggets this year, and perhaps he helps transform or evolve Carmelo into the type of player that not only improves other areas of his game but also his leadership skills and other intangibles.
I think Carmelo is close and could be mentioned up there soon. Just not yet.
I'm sure Michael Jordan still knows how to be a good leader, better than most everyone in the league. Does that mean you want him at this point of his life, playing for your team as your #1 option?
Truth is, the past few years (since 2006), Duncan has not been playing at as high of a level as Dirk has. Duncan has clearly worn down over the years due to various injuries and age, and is not the same player he once was.
Duncan is a better all-time player. But at this point in time, Dirk is the superior player.
As a Pistons fan, if you could redo the 03 draft, who would you have wanted the Pistons to take at #2, and why?
I do not think at all that Dirk has been/is the better player than Tim since 2006. That is inaccurate and you are ignoring the defensive side of the ball and win% and playoff success since then.
For crying out loud the Spurs won the finals in 07 and although TP was finals MVP, TD was playoff MVP. Tim only finished 1 point behind Dirk this year in MVP voting and he had serious injury.
Before Tim's injury, he was playing much better than Dirk this year.
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